David, I tend to agree with what your saying. Although Im definitely in the RIA camp, it seems ridiculous to criticise the development of a technology such as this simply because of what the 'average consumer' wants.
How about using the games industry to make my point? If this technology is successful (either for Adobe or MS), then browser based DirectX online gaming isnt too far away. No 5Gb installs, just point to a URL and away you go. Dismissing the idea of decent 3D is waaaay too short sighted. Cheers, Nick -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Skoglund Sent: 25 January 2006 10:26 To: 'Flashcoders mailing list' Subject: SV: SV: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle OK, you maybe YOU don't care much for it, but a RIA-platform needs to be flexible as possible and give the developers as much freedom as possible. Content rules, but why restrict content to 2d? I'm not talking about wacky 3d interfaces where they are clearly not needed, but games, simulations, product presentations etc. As I see it Macromedia has always been making good tools for creating interactive experiences but are now trying hard with Flex 2 to compete in the corporate applications. Microsoft comes from the opposite side. They already have most of the corporate developers, and are now trying to get the designers attention. And looking at the feature lists they seem to beat Macromedia on their own turf... I hope that Macromedia/Adobe can compete. Shockwave 3d has a very steep learning curve and it's just in the last couple of years that people have really learned to create really nice games with it. Look for example att my own first try on creating a shockwave 3d-game: www.monsterland.se/snowwarfare I wouldn't have been able to create this without the tutorials and helpful communities that's been built up during the years. In my view Macromedia had a good state of the art product, but threw it away since it didn't create short term profit. Sparkle on the other side seems quite easy to get into. The 3d-functions are well integrated into the IDE so you can navigate between 3d-models in a scene as easily as you do between movie clips in flash. And there are lot's of features beside this 3d-part. Intresting times ahead! /David -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Andreas Rønning Skickat: den 25 januari 2006 10:58 Till: Flashcoders mailing list Ämne: Re: SV: [Flashcoders] Microsoft Sparkle I couldn't give less of a crap about putting 3d on the web, and i'm pretty sure the average consumer agrees with me. Content rules. I seem to recall Shockwave 3d not ever really taking off, and if 3d is the only thing sparkle has over Flash it ain't gonna do much good as a competitor. - Andreas David Skoglund wrote: >>so why does someone post it to this list ? > > Since it's going to be a direct competitor/alternative to Flash, and since > it's pushed by Microsoft. Wether you like it or not you'll need to keep your > eyes on what happening over there. > Personally I think it's great to finally see a promising new standard for > creating web 3d. Hopefully Adobe can create a competitive 3d-solution to > integrate i flash, but looking at Acrobat 3d I'm not impressed, and they > stopped developing Shockwave 3d a long time ago (still the best solution > despite lack of updates last 5 years). > /David > _______________________________________________ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/239 - Release Date: 2006-01-24 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/239 - Release Date: 2006-01-24 _______________________________________________ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders _______________________________________________ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
