Thanks for the pointer, Geoff - the jscript.dll was not at issue in my case
however.

I have a feeling it may relate to the bug described in this article:

http://blog.metawrap.com/blog/MicrosoftsEolasActiveXPatchForIESometimesBreak
sJavaScriptWorkaround.aspx

However, I have no way to prove it since I can't uninstall the Hotfixes.

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Stearns
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 12:19 PM
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Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Eolas "fix" and backspace key flash bug

there's a number of known issues with it... maybe this is the problem?

http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=4f91f9b8

i have a summary of all the issues related to the eolas stuff here:
http://blog.deconcept.com/2005/12/15/internet-explorer-eolas-changes- 
and-the-flash-plugin/



On Jun 15, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Tom Lee wrote:

> " the solution to all of this is to just use one of the many js
> solutions that don't have issues like this."
>
> If you're referring to the issue I'm reporting, I'm afraid your  
> solution is
> not immune either.  Two out of 3 of my PCs will show the "click to  
> activate"
> message if you have cleared your cache and then visited your  
> example pages
> without restarting your browser first.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoff
> Stearns
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 10:56 AM
> To: Flashcoders mailing list
> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Eolas "fix" and backspace key flash bug
>
> that's not really accurate...  you can have the flash inserted as the
> page loads and not have to activate it. the requirement is that it's
> written by an external script, and not invoked natively by the
> browser (and plain html).
>
> it doesn't matter if it's done onload or inline as the page is  
> loading.
>
> the solution to all of this is to just use one of the many js
> solutions that don't have issues like this.
>
> if you can't use javascript for some reason (which should never be
> the case), then be prepared to force your customers to click to
> activate the control.
>
>
>
> On Jun 14, 2006, at 5:19 PM, ryanm wrote:
>>>
>>    There's no magic there, the embedded object cannot exist prior
>> to the onload event firing or it will require activation. Period.
>> Don't use a delay, use the onload event. A delay is unpredictable
>> because you are working on the client side, where bandwidth,
>> network congestion, and the size of the images and other files
>> loaded into the page will cause the amount of time before the
>> onload event fires to vary drastically. To state that more clearly,
>> you will *never* accomplish this in any predictable way using a
>> time delay, not even if you make the delay over 1 minute, because
>> somewhere there is still a guy using a 14.4 modem.
>>
>> ryanm
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