To John Mark Hawley: I plea ignorance. It won't happen again. Sorry. To Carl Welch and Ron Wheeler: Thx for your insight and non wanna-be-elitist views.
(I am no different than anyone here in that I am learning. Thx for sharing) -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Carl Welch Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:10 PM To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Junior Developer Flash/Flex Salary? Why worry about code you've written before? If it were an issue then no one would be able to build more than one web page in a life time because you'll inevitably use the same embed tags more than once. No client knows how or what you code, much less who your other clients are. Also, if you let someone pay you $11 dollars an hour - then you are only worth $11 dollars an hour. --carl On 6/20/06, Ron Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Mark Lapasa wrote: > > These are most interesting points Radley. > > > > However on the topic of 'pre-made code', I am now wondering what is the > > practices of some the freelancer/consultants/etc. on the list. If people pay > > you money for code, be it 30k or 100k, is it right to use your past > > developed code on future code? > > > > I think when taking on gig's, it's meant that you are generating code they > > don't would not initially have. Once the gig is done, I think the business > > has an understanding that they paid you for the code and they own the code? > > > > > They usually own the code but not the things that you have learned > writing it. > > If they don't own the code, then does it becomes a matter of licensing? > > > If it one or 2 classes, then you can rewrite it pretty easily. If it is > a whole set of functionality that you want to reuse, it is probably a > good idea to ask for permission. They will likely say "yes" and they > will be very impressed by your ethics. > > I guess what I am asking is if you have previously developed code and use it > > on other clients, is it ok? > > > > > It leaves your new clients open to being sued. Not likely to happen but > it can be very embarrassing. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Radley > > Marx > > Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 4:12 PM > > To: Flashcoders mailing list > > Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] OT: Junior Developer Flash/Flex Salary? > > > > > > > > > > apologies for keeping this thread open... > > > > From what I've gleaned, while the rate quoted to you may be low, it > > does sound like a transitionary rate and appropriate. Not that you're > > only worth it but because you sound very inexperienced in the market. > > > > What I mean by "inexperienced" is you have to ask if 30k is too low, > > and you also have another day job which sounds unrelated to your > > Flash/Flex work. So at this point, you may have to grab at what's > > offered. > > > > I'd recommend caution with this gig and make sure you're not tied to > > it too long. I'd look at it as a "paid internship" where you're > > basically getting your first "notch in your belt" as you change careers. > > > > If you haven't considered creating a portfolio for yourself, now is > > the time to build it. Don't put too much time into it and especially > > don't let it hold you in "almost done" limbo. A list of skills, a > > gallery of projects completed (even student and/or "lame" ones), and > > contact info are all you need at this stage. > > > > In the meantime, begin to look around your area and find out where > > the "real" Flash/Flex work is (studios, ad agencies, internet > > companies). Begin to make contacts. Let them know who you are and > > you're availability. > > > > Part of making $50/hr (& much more) isn't always about making a > > decent rate like everyone else does. It's often about having multiple > > potential clients needing your help and willing to pay for it. And > > each project you build adds more and more "pre-made" pieces you have > > for the next gig. Those "pre-built" pieces are there to save your > > client time, but still make you $$ - another foundation for why we > > can make much more $$ per hour. > > > > It'll take time to build up your rate, so focus on the first steps: > > do a good job with your first gig, get your portfolio up, and get in > > touch with the proper market. > > > > good luck =) > > > > -radley > > > > > > On Jun 20, 2006, at 11:06 AM, Tristan wrote: > > > > > >> Well said. I agree. I'll test the waters and jump out if it's not > >> working. > >> I'm still keeping my day job until I'm satisfied with coming on > >> full time. > >> Although, now that missiles are being tossed our way, maybe I > >> should just be > >> happy to be alive! Geez, I hope someday we all get along. Life's > >> too short > >> as it is. > >> > >> Sorry, off topic comment but, I just heard about it and it's scary > >> not for > >> just usa but, for the whole world. > >> > >> Love, > >> T > >> > >> On 6/20/06, Kevin Mulvihill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>> $11/ hr accepting that is part of the reason why people think > >>>> they can pay developers peanuts > >>>> > >>> Here, here. > >>> > >>> Denver is a big city comparable to L.A., where I am. And in this > >>> city, bag > >>> boys at grocery stores are making $11/hr. Even way back in '97 > >>> when I was > >>> in > >>> my last corporate job, it was costing us $15/hr. just to have a > >>> temp come > >>> in > >>> and put papers in a filing cabinet. Is that how you see yourself? As > >>> unskilled labor??? > >>> > >>> Now if the idea is just that the guy wants to check you out and > >>> make sure > >>> you can do the work, then I might give him a few DAYS at $11/hr. > >>> and then > >>> revert to an honest pay scale if he wants to keep you... And this > >>> assumes > >>> that you don't have any references or much in the way of code > >>> samples to > >>> share. > >>> > >>> The real question then becomes 'how long is it going to take to > >>> get you up > >>> to speed?' If the guy is thinking several months, then you would > >>> clearly > >>> be > >>> foolish to accept that offer. If you don't respect yourself, no > >>> one else > >>> will either... And your getting 'up to speed' could take a very > >>> long time > >>> indeed. > >>> > >>> Kevin > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > >>> To change your subscription options or search the archive: > >>> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > >>> > >>> Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > >>> Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training > >>> http://www.figleaf.com > >>> http://training.figleaf.com > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > >> To change your subscription options or search the archive: > >> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > >> > >> Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > >> Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training > >> http://www.figleaf.com > >> http://training.figleaf.com > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------ > > Radley Marx > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 310.220.4088 > > http://www.radleymarx.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > > To change your subscription options or search the archive: > > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > > > Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > > Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training > > http://www.figleaf.com > > http://training.figleaf.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > > To change your subscription options or search the archive: > > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > > > Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > > Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training > > http://www.figleaf.com > > http://training.figleaf.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > To change your subscription options or search the archive: > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software > Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training > http://www.figleaf.com > http://training.figleaf.com > -- Carl Welch http://www.carlwelch.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 805.403.4819 _______________________________________________ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com _______________________________________________ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
