Java folks are very stubborn … Are
the Flex/Flash people so much different??? All engineers are probably the same …
:)
Java folks are also very picky if it comes
to spending money on development tools. We/They are so much used to get
everything for free. That’s why they probably vouch for Laszlo. On the
surface Laszlo and Flex/Flash look very similar. And most Java people will not
look much further than the surface, if they look at all …
Is Macromedia/Adobe going to take the
ball? What would be the right way to go to get some market in the Java arena?
Cheers,
Franck
From:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JesterXL
Sent: dinsdag 3 januari 2006 20:58
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] open
sourced Flex app
Yeah, no one has become an evenagelist there, and those that
have vouch for Laszlo. It's extremely frustrating repeating myself to
those people, but it has to be done. The problem is, my background is
Flash, not Flex, so I'm not taken seriously by a lot of Java folks, nor am I
involved in their community. Someone needs to take the ball.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January
03, 2006 2:04 PM
Subject: RE: [flexcoders]
open sourced Flex app
Hi Douglas,
Exactly the same reason why I chose for
web services. It’s standards based, so you’re free to go on the
back end.
I don’t know what you exactly meant
with ‘staying clear of frameworks’, but I think using Hibernate is
a safe bet or maybe later EJB3 (which should be an easy migration). I’m
personally not a fan of Spring, but it’s extremely hot in the Java
community. I’m afraid that if you’re not using Spring, you will not
be taken seriously.
This brings me to another point. I
personally have a JAVA background and I follow the community sites www.javalobby.org and www.theserverside.com closely. What I
notice is that Flex is not considered a serious alternative for building Rich
Internet Applications. A search on ‘flex’ does not result in many
hits. Worse, people who vouch for flex are often barked at shamelessly.
I don’t know your intentions behind
your idea of starting an open source flex project. Could you tell us more? To
me it would be a great idea showing the JAVA community that there is a much
cleaner and leaner alternative for web applications than this
JSF/AJAX/_javascript_ stuff that is getting so much attention. One of the key
success factors would be to have your back-end state-of-the-art, showing the
JAVA people that you know your stuff. That means IMHO that you need to use
popular frameworks like Hibernate and Spring.
Does anyone have an explanation why Flex
is not taken seriously in JAVA land? Is there something I should know J?
Cheers,
Franck
From:
flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen
Sent: dinsdag 3 januari 2006 19:27
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] open
sourced Flex app
yeah, seems better to target
Java as middle ware. Probably stay clear
of any frameworks though to make it lighter in
weight. Thanks for the
info...
> People say that web services are the slowest
alternative for interfacing,
> but I'm having very good experiences with it
with respect to performance.
> Can anyone tell me why remoting (AMF
framework?) is preferred? Does anyone
> have benchmarks on this?
Adobe has info on this and preach use of AMF for
speed. This is
talked about around this list a bit already...some
guy named Dave
might have said something :) I'm thinking
for an open sourced
project, web services is the way to go, should
make it easier to plug
in different middle-wares.
DK
On 1/3/06, Franck de Bruijn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Since you are writing an open source
application, I would stick as much as
> possible to open source frameworks and tools.
>
>
>
> I'm currently prototyping a Flex 2
application on the following software
> stack:
>
> Frontend: Flex 2
> Interface towards backend: Web services with
Apache Axis
> Middleware: Hibernate
> Wiring: plain java, but this is not so
modern. So, maybe you will prefer
> Spring.
> Database: any one you prefer. For the
prototype I'm using HSQLDB.
> Building: Maven 2
> Developing: Flex 2 Builder (standalone) and
Eclipse WTP (unfortunately they
> do not work together yet)
>
>
>
> For the build part I'm not satisfied yet.
Maybe I'll write my own Maven 2
> plugin for Flex 2 applications. I'll keep you
posted on that.
>
>
>
> People say that web services are the slowest
alternative for interfacing,
> but I'm having very good experiences with it
with respect to performance.
> Can anyone tell me why remoting (AMF
framework?) is preferred? Does anyone
> have benchmarks on this?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Franck
>
>
>
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> Behalf Of Douglas Knudsen
> Sent: dinsdag 3 januari 2006 15:41
> To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [flexcoders] open sourced Flex
app
>
>
>
> Ok, so I want to mess around building
something to let everyone in the
> community have. Using Flex
2....what to use on the backend? With DAO
> Factories, I suppose any back end DB
will do, eh? start with MySQL
> and fill in for others. Now what
about the middle ware? Java,
> ColdFusion, etc...???? What would
be a good popular fit, eh? Your
> thoughts?
>
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