Hello,
Just catching up on some threads from the vacation
period.
a) You don't need OpenAMF if you are using Flex 1.5.
Flex 1.5 comes with AMF (Remoting) fully integrated.
b) The Trial version reverts to an IP limited developer
edition after 60 or 90 days, but no functionality goes away. You should be
fine.
c) Pricing:
* If you go into production with Flex 1.5 vs 2.0 there are
some differences in the options you have.
* It sounds like you want to embed Flex into an application
that you are selling to multiple customers--eg into a software product. If
so, we have ISV pricing for embedding Flex that is custom based on what you are
doing.
* If you are building a custom application, Flex 1.5 is
based on per CPU pricing, for the CPUs on which the application is
running.
* I can connect you with a sales rep who can help you
figure out what it might cost if you ping me offline (and ideally provide a
little more context.)
* Lastly, if you are planning to ship say, in the 2nd half
of this calander year, it *may* be in your interest to ultimately build with
Flex 2. There are many advantages to the Flex 2 product line, but since it
isn't shipping yet you need to evaluate it in the context of your delivery
schedule. If you build with Flex 2.0, the tool and framework will be sold
on a per developer seat basis, for under $1000. There are no runtime
charges at all in this case. The server (Flex Enterprise Services)
includes both RPC services and Data Services, and a messaging backbone,
depending on your needs it may be very valuable for your application or it may
not. If you do use it, it will be sold both on an embedded basis and on a
per CPU basis as above. Again, I can connect you to a sales rep if you would
like more information.
Hope this helps,
David
Adobe
That's very informative. I'll be trying it soon.
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Cichowlas
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:47 AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features are available to whom when and how
I did install Tomcat and Flex 1.5 in the way that you suggested and confirmed that it was running properly with the samples. I've also looked through some of the 1.5 examples and found it encouraging. I have part of my app that I initially built in 2.0 under Eclipse which I need to move back into the 1.5 environment.
I'm finding the OpenAMF stuff a bit confusing. I've been studying http://www.darronschall.com/weblog/archives/000186.cfm and hope that it is relevant. I'm wondering if I have to read up on Flash, but perhaps not.
So what I'm going to attempt next is to Flex to download the initial colors from the server using OpenAMF, add some rudimentary controls to the Flex page to change the colors and another button to write them back to the server. If I can get that to work today, I will think that Flex 1.5 will most likely get me through this demo.
I'm still wondering whether I will run up against trial deadline limits on the demo products I am using that will get. I also have to figure out what to tell the potential investors about how much the use of Flex will add to the cost of the production product.
Thanks for your help,
Bruce
On 12/28/05, JesterXL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Dude, that is so easy. You just:- import each graphic into Flash- give it an instance name- modify the code I posted to do:var c:Color = new Color(targetState);c.setRGB(0xFF0000);That'll set it red, and ONLY it. If you have the graphic as a PNG or GIF (transparency intact), it'll color just the shape with nice edges.You could do the same in Flex as well, just embed the images:[Embed(source="maine.png")]var main_png:String;<mx:Image id="main_png_img" source="{main_png}" />And set the color the same way:var c:Color = new Color(main_png_img);c.setRGB(0xFF0000);Flash, Flex... either one. Additionally, Bline Express created a pretty phat USA Map component with all 50 states. Methods already exist in it to set colors, know which state you clicked on, etc. It's written for Flash 6, but you could easily load that into a Flex Loader, and use proxy functions to call the Flash 6 methods in the externally loaded SWF.Bring it.----- Original Message -----From: Bruce CichowlasSent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:13 AMSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features are available to whom when and howThanks for the prompt reply.
I can see how your suggestion would work, but in my case I don't think I can use the background color. Imagine if the shapes were the six states of New England on a map. I want to be able to control the color of each state to be one of eight colors.
I can see a few approaches. One would be to treat the whole map of New England as a graphic and then somehow repaint the individual state, perhaps on a pixel by pixel basis. I suppose that could work, but it would be tedious.
Another way would be to have a graphic object of each state with a transparent background and then overlay them appropriately in their appropriate positions. However, the color I would have to then change would be the foreground object color and I don't know that there is a simple way to do that. I could, perhaps, supply eight graphics for each state and then switch between them using _javascript_ to alter the DHTML. That might be feasible for six states, but if the map included all fifty states, I would need at least 50 * 8 graphic objects to use that approach.
A third way might be to somehow use areamaps and regions, but I don't know if that would result in DHTML where I could easily recolor a region.
What do you think would work?
Bruce
On 12/28/05, JesterXL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Can help with #3.Here's a sample:<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<mx:Application
xmlns:mx="http://www.macromedia.com/2003/mxml "
initialize="initApp()">
<mx:Script>
<![CDATA[
import mx.controls.ComboBox;
private function initApp():Void
{
var color_str:String = color_cb.selectedItem.toString();
colorMe_box.setStyle("backgroundColor", color_str);
}
private function setColor(event:Object):Void
{
var cb:ComboBox = ComboBox(event.target);
var color_str:String = cb.selectedItem.toString();
colorMe_box.setStyle("backgroundColor", color_str);
}
]]>
</mx:Script>
<mx:FormItem label="Colors:">
<mx:ComboBox
id="color_cb"
change="setColor(event)">
<mx:dataProvider>
<mx:Array>
<mx:String>0x000000</mx:String>
<mx:String>0x660000</mx:String>
<mx:String>0x000066</mx:String>
</mx:Array>
</mx:dataProvider>
</mx:ComboBox>
</mx:FormItem>
<mx:Box
id="colorMe_box"
borderStyle="solid"
width="100" height="100"/></mx:Application>----- Original Message -----From: Bruce CichowlasSent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:01 PMSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features are available to whom when and howI've used Axis on other projects, but I'm not sure how this interaction as a RemoteObject would look in the context of Flex 2.0 . Do you know of a working example of this somewhere? I'm not sure what I would code on the Flex side and I'm not sure what I'd need to do on the server side to make it compatible and synchronize.
I'm also wondering whether everything is available to support developing this demo for as long as it takes or if I will at some point have to buy a license for one thing or another to continue development. I also need to know how to explain the production operational costs to a potential investor. Potentially this is an application run by large companies on their own servers for many subscribers.
And from a technical viewpoint, I'm still wondering how to implement these arbitrary small shapes (such as states on a map) that need to change to one of a number of colors. I'd probably be able to answer that by myself if I were a Flash developer, but my Flash experience is limited to having run through the examples of a much earlier version of Flash.
I know that's a lot of questions.
Thanks,
Bruce
On 12/27/05, Matt Chotin <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:I think you'll find 1.5 a more stable development experience in the next
month though of course 2.0 offers a lot of stuff. For RemoteObject in
2.0 for now you do need the 2.0 CF adapter, but as many folks will be
happy to point out you could also just expose your Java objects via a
WebService using Apache Axis instead (this should be done in the 2.0
samples maybe but is definitely in 1.5 for reference). The Flex 2 alpha
will hint at functionality (like RemoteObject) that may not actually be
functional in your configuration.
Matt
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From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of JesterXL
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:39 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features
are available to whom when and how
I cannot answer all of your questions, but here are my suggestions.
- assuming on Windows, download Apache Tomcat
- download Flex 1.5 demo
- install Flex 1.5 demo with just FlexBuilder 1.5
- copy and paste the flex.war & samples.war files into Tomcat's webapps
directory
Hit the samples page to ensure all is well. On mine, it's:
http://localhost:8080/samples/
I've yet to get Flex 2 to work with Remoting + AMFPHP. Considering AMF
(the
binary format used to send serialized class bits across the wire) is
undergoing big changes, OpenAMF (Java) and AMFPHP (PHP) don't really
work
yet.
I've heard of some people getting Remoting to work with the CFAdapter,
but I
don't use CF ( I do at work, but I don't code it). Some have reported
success with the WebService/HTTPService.
Me? I use Flex 1.5 every day and it works great. At night, I moonlight
in
Flex 2, but she's still alpha, so we have a ways to go.
The bad news is, for those client developers (like me) who only care
about
the client, Flex 1.5 has the server requirement. However, you can still
snag SWF's off of the server once compiled as well as to show clients of
what's possible. Good news, she works great, HTTPService (GET/POST)
works,
WebService works, and RemoteObject works with AMFPHP, OpenAMF, and
ColdFusion.
Hope that helps some. Feel free to post more questions.
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From: "BCichowlas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
To: < flexcoders@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 4:22 PM
Subject: [flexcoders] Having hard time understanding what features are
available to whom when and how
Hi!
I'm an independent developer trying to put together an RIA demo for
potential investors in a proposed enterprise. This proposed
enterprise is not a software company but would make heavy use of an
RIA application.
My most reasonable choices seem to be Flex, Laszlo or Ajax (in its
many variations). I spent the last week with the Iteration Two Flex
book, downloading what is available freely to developers from the
Macromedia/Adobe site.
As part of my demo, I need to be able to change the color of irregular
small shapes. The shapes themselves are known in advance and don't
change. For the sake of discussion, it is as if I had an outline of
New England, divided into the six New England states and I wanted to
be able to choose one of eight colors for each of the states based on
user interaction.
After looking at the complexities of Ajax, Flex seemed like an ideal
choice. Since I develop under Eclipse and since the 2.0 alpha seemed
like a generally usable version, it was my first choice. However, the
examples in the Iteration Two book seem to be written for 1.0 or 1.5,
and I spent quite a while trying to run them under 2.0 with varying
degrees of success.
My database needs for this demo application are modest, but I did want
to be able to use RemoteObject. I was never able to get anything
using RemoteObject to operate successfully. I was developing under
Eclipse and using the "Run Flex application" to try to run my
application. I'm not sure exactly what runtime environment this
results in, but I had been successful at getting some small forms
running successfully and trading string messages with the server.
Is RemoteObject supposed to be possible using only the 2.0 alpha
materials? If not, what do I need? The Cold Fusion server
extensions? The Enterprise version? Is what I need available now?
Does it cost money just to use for a demo? Are there some examples of
using a RemoteObject under 2.0 that I could try under Eclipse? Should
I be using 1.5 instead?
I am wondering if my expectations of the 2.0 alpha are inappropriate
for programming a demo now and in January 2006. I'm not a Cold Fusion
user and have only a rudimentary understanding of its operation. I'm
now thinking that I should use Ajax or possibly Laszlo, but would
listen carefully to any argument that Flex is the right choice.
Thanks,
Bruce
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