RE: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX?

Mon, 13 Mar 2006 10:34:25 -0800

personally id rather not see a technology evangelism debate appear on this forum, thats a little OT for my liking. 

From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jignesh Dodiya
Sent: 13 March 2006 18:17
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX?

Jesse has really a mature idea on this......................
Don't u think, this forum can be more fruitfull if anybody from Adobe do share his/her idea on this forum. Afterall its their duty to make people encourage to use flex over AJAX, and the community always likes to hear Flex expert's comment on such intensive topic?????


 
On 3/13/06, dos dedos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex & Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized.
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That's what I wanted to find out ... thanks for pointing it out!!!


JesterXL <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
AJAX is here, works, has a large community, is an old technology and thus has a plethora of resources.  Flex 2 isn't publicy out yet in an official capacity and Flex 1.5's price point excludes a lot of those types of endeavors.
 
Yahoo uses both; they are a big company.  Yahoo Maps utilized Flex 1.5.  They should of used Flash Player 8's bitmap features so it wasn't the best use of Flex, but it at least got us on the radar.  They are also experiementing with updating some of the Java games to Flash.
 
Again, neither Google nor Yahoo can utilize Flex 2 because even if they did, no one could see it. Flash Player 8.5 is beta, not publicly available, and you have to download the entire Flex 2 package just to get it (which is a good thing).
 
Yahoo has a lot of efforts in regards to Flex & Flash, you just probably haven't read about them, is all, or they didn't get as widely publicized.
 
Bottom line, AJAX is here, has been for awhile, and works.  Flex 2 isn't even out yet.  Sparkle's awesome, but you don't see people, even Microsoft, creating Sparkle apps.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:24 PM
Subject: [flexcoders] Google, Yahoo hooked on AJAX?

 

Google has purchased at least one company that uses Flash or Flex (a Web analytics startup) but their own internal efforts seem to be always focused on AJAX ... e.g. the latest Google Mars ( http://www.google.com/mars/)

So it's fair to wonder why Google isn't doing more with Flex at this time ... and why Flickr (Yahoo) moved from Flash to AJAX ... especially given the fact that Flex 2 has a lot going for it from technical and end-user perspectives.

Attitudes change over time and new technologies take a while to adopt, but it'd be nice to understand whether or not Google, Yahoo and others are consciously resisting Flex based on some non-technical reason (e.g. the fact that Flex is a proprietary platform whereas AJAX is not.)

Google's and Yahoo's position doesn't matter all that much as far as market adoption for Flex, but it would be interesting to understand the strategic reasons why Google, Yahoo and other major players (e.g. eBay) have so far prefer! red to stick with AJAX.

An interesting position for Google and Yahoo would be to endorse AJAX half of the time and Flex the other half, or two thrids to one. This way they would keep the market from leaning too heavily in favor of either. But as of now, they're leaning too heavily in favor of AJAX, yet it's very possible that they'll release (or acquire) something based on Flex 2 in the future.

I believe Sun has been very successful with Java on the server side ... Flex could become as popular on the client side as Java is on the server side if  it's opened up in the style of the Java Community Process.

Just curious if anyone has any insights about where Adobe may be going with Flex ... ?

Marc



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