--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "maxym.hryniv" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi, Peter. Thank you one more time for your help. I have one more
> question: when I use debug player, configured by mm.cfg I receive
only
> messages like "Warning: Uncaught exception, message text" of course
> it's not enough. Can I configure debug player to receive information
> like sender class&&method? If not it's usable only for "Hello World"
> applications. Of course I can create BaseError class that will know
> error context and format error message how I want, but it's not
> applicable for libraries that I'm using (as2lib).
>
> Respect.
>
> --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "maxym.hryniv" <mokus@> wrote:
>
> Thank You Peter. It's a shame for me that i didn't know that. I'll
use
> all of these tools. And i'm waiting for Flex 2.
> Thank You one more time.
> --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Farland" <pfarland@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Some of the comments I made also apply to Flex 1.5's usage of
> > ActionScript 2 in Flash Player 7.
> >
> > ActionScript 2 has try/catch syntax and the Error type, there are
> debug
> > versions of the flash player that ship with Flex 1.5 which you
> should
> > use during development, you can use trace() to report information
to
> a
> > debug log - it too was called flashlog.txt and the mm.cfg file
still
> > applies to Flex 1.5. In fact, this file should be setup and
> monitored
> > for warnings and errors from the flash player during development
at
> all
> > times (I use tail.exe from cygwin to monitor this file like a
> console
> > log). There is a command line debugger in Flex 1.5 called fdb...
> and, of
> > course, we built all of the ActionScript 2 code for Flex 1.5 using
> all
> > of these tools... though admittedly the tools and language
features
> we
> > had to build Flex 2 are even better and will be available soon.
> >
> > Do you have the debug versions of the player?
> > Do you have mm.cfg setup in your user directory and do you monitor
> the
> > flashlog.txt file?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
com]
> On
> > Behalf Of maxym.hryniv
> > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 5:17 AM
> > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Uncaught exceptions in Flex 1.5
> >
> > I'm still waiting for reply.
> > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "maxym.hryniv" <mokus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, Peter
> > > It's good that we have at last normal exception handling in 8.5
> > beta.
> > > But it's only beta for now and we are creating apps using Flex
1.
> 5.
> > So
> > > the question is "How we can fight silent exceptions death in
Flex
> 1.
> > 5
> > > ???".
> > > I have some ideas but to realise them i have to rewrite all flex
> 1.5
> > > framework and i think it's not acceptable.
> > >
> > > Waiting for reply ,
> > > Max
> > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Farland" <pfarland@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mykola,
> > > >
> > > > Have you used the debug versions of the Flash Player
during
> > > > development? The debug version of the Flash Player reports
> > uncaught
> > > > exceptions and it also traces information to a flashlog.txt
file
> > as
> > > long
> > > > as you have a mm.cfg file setup in your user directory. We
> include
> > > debug
> > > > versions of the Flash Player (i.e. the Standalone Player, the
> > > > Firefox/Netscape/Opera plugin and MSIE Active-X player) in the
> > Flex
> > > > installer. We include them for the same reasons that you state
-
> > > > "without having proper error reporting it is impossible to
build
> > > > anything larget than hello-world presentations". Flex Builder
> has
> > a
> > > > visual debugger with breakpoints and watch statements. Also
AS3
> > > Error
> > > > objects remember their stacktraces and you can print them out
if
> > > you're
> > > > using the debug player. We built the Flex 2 framework of over
> 1000
> > > > classes using the same tools as you would to build your own
> > > > applications... I feel that they are adequate.
> > > >
> > > > Regarding the confusion, it wasn't that important - it was
> > just
> > > that
> > > > from my reading the various posts on this thread I got the
> > > impression
> > > > that there were two complaints here that were at odds with
each
> > > other.
> > > > One complaining they couldn't manage errors coming from lots
of
> > > > different places and the other that they weren't getting
enough
> > > errors
> > > > and related information at runtime.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Pete
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > > From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > com]
> > > On
> > > > Behalf Of Mykola Paliyenko
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 5:24 PM
> > > > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Uncaught exceptions in Flex 1.5
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ok Peter,
> > > > no idea why you've been confused but...
> > > > ActionScript specification has a notion of throwable objects,
so
> > > saying
> > > > that Exception is a bug of the AS2Lib is slightly incorrect.
I'm
> > > > relaizing that due to the size constraints of the player it
> might
> > be
> > > > good idea not to include exception handling in it, but once
more
> > > again
> > > > you can add this in the development version of the player and
> this
> > > > should be extremely easy to do if the overal palyer's
> architecture
> > > is
> > > > good enough, isn't it?
> > > >
> > > > My opinion is that without having proper error reporting it is
> > > > impossible to build anything larger than hello-world
> presentations
> > > with
> > > > a very good quality, so I'd warn people to treat Flex/Flash as
a
> > > really
> > > > serious platform unless this feature will be implemented.
> > > > Flex Developers in my company mostly are very unhappy with the
> > > quality
> > > > of the framework and the level of the support Adobe provide
for
> > the
> > > > users, I'm not saying about paid support I'm saying about
> > community
> > > > support, feature requests, bugfixes, open source frameworks
> around
> > > Flex
> > > > etc. I see no other way for developing the really good product
> > other
> > > > than involve the community into the development. It is the way
> > lots
> > > of
> > > > really cool stuff were developed for the last year and it is
> > mostly
> > > > ignored by Adobe.
> > > >
> > > > You have a great idea of RIA and a great high performant
player,
> > if
> > > you
> > > > make a great product it will be an "all win" situation. The
only
> > way
> > > to
> > > > make a great product is to make it more open to the
contributing
> > > than it
> > > > is now. IMHO but it is proven many times in Java world So do
not
> > > > just throw away comment from such crazy guys like me,
> > > Maxym,
> > > > Sergey and lots more, all we want is to make the platform we
are
> > > using
> > > > better, and do trust me without responding to the real
feedback
> > from
> > > > developers any technology will shortly become outdated.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/24/06, Peter Farland <pfarland@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mykola, I'm slightly confused by your post in contrast to
> what
> > > > Sergey and Stanislav originally said.
> > > >
> > > > I read Sergey's post as that he was having trouble with
> uncaught
> >
> > > > exceptions and had to add a lot of code to catch and possibly
> > ignore
> > > > such errors. I read your post to mean the opposite of this in
> that
> > > the
> > > > uncaught exceptions were important at development time because
> if
> > > they
> > > > were silently caught and ignored it would be hard to diagnose
> what
> > > the
> > > > problem was.
> > > >
> > > > As Matt said, in general for our data services framework
> code we
> >
> > > > tend to not throw exceptions but instead funnel everything
> through
> > a
> > > > fault event mechanism. If you run into exceptions in our Flex
> > > framework
> > > > code then it may be a bug and should be reported with a
> > reproducible
> > > > case or at the very least a stacktrace. If these exceptions
are
> > due
> > > to
> > > > non-Flex framework code then either its a bug in that 3rd
party
> > code
> > > or,
> > > > as Matt suggested, the number of entry points that need to be
> > > checked
> > > > can be reduced by centralizing the calling code.
> > > >
> > > > Finally, the behavior of uncaught exceptions isn't
> determined by
> >
> > > > Flex - it's a feature of the Flash Player virtual machine and
> how
> > it
> > > > handles ActionScript.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > >
> > > > From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mykola
> Paliyenko
> > > > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 3:34 AM
> > > >
> > > > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Uncaught exceptions in Flex 1.5
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hm...
> > > > Matt, I thought the problem will be fixed in 2.0, because
> > > > developing in the runtime that silently ignors the exceptions
is
> > > > absolutely unaceptable for a lot of developers. It is
extremely
> > hard
> > > to
> > > > locate problems in this case. I can understand why it is not
> > > implemented
> > > > in Flex 1.5 since the flash player did not changed, but I see
no
> > > reasons
> > > > why whould not introduce this with a new version of player or
at
> > > least
> > > > allow player to run in a debug mode where such stuff will be
> > > handled.
> > > >
> > > > Mykola
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/23/06, Matt Chotin <mchotin@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I see, the same problem exists in 2.0 I guess too
> > (though I've
> > > > asked
> > > > internally about it to make sure). Only thing I can
> > recommend is
> > > > you
> > > > try to centralize your entry points. If you use a
> > framework like
> > > > Cairngorm you can do that in the framework by
> catching
> > errors in
> > > > the
> > > > broadcaster or some main method that triggers your
> > service
> > > > handlers.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
> > > > flexcoders@yahoogroups.com <mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com>
]
> > On
> > > > Behalf Of Stanislav Zayarsky
> > > >
> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 3:45 AM
> > > > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Uncaught exceptions in
> Flex
> > > > 1.5
> > > >
> > > > Matt, we are using 3rd party libraries like AS2lib,
> and
> > it throws
> > > > exceptions.
> > > > And also we starting to throw exceptions from our
> custom
> > classes
> > > > too.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards
> > > > Stanislav
> > > >
> > > > On 4/23/06, Matt Chotin <mchotin@> wrote:
> > > > > In 1.5 we don't throw exceptions as a practice,
> I'm
> > not sure
> > > > what
> > > > you're
> > > > > actually running into here?
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
> > > > flexcoders@yahoogroups.com <mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com>
]
> > > > On
> > > > > Behalf Of Stanislav Zayarsky
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 7:52 AM
> > > > > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Uncaught exceptions in
> Flex
> > > > 1.5
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello FlexCoders,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have the same problem!
> > > > >
> > > > > Adobe guys, can you help us?
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards
> > > > > Stanislav
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/21/06, Sergey Kovalyov
> > > > <skovalyov.flexcoders@> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi All!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > How to deal with uncaught exceptions in Flex 1.
> 5?
> > > > Actually they kill
> > > > > > application running via terminating the current
> > script.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Due to the fact Flex application has a lot of
> "entry
> > points"
> > > > (each
> > > > and
> > > > > every
> > > > > > event handling delegate), I need either put
> > > > try..catch..finally
> > > > > statements
> > > > > > in each and every function assigned as an event
> > handler that
> > > > is
> > > > wrong
> > > > > copy
> > > > > > and paste method or create own Delegate class
> that
> > is much
> > > > more
> > > > better
> > > > > by
> > > > > > design.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But on the other hand using the second approach
> > force me not
> > > > to
> > > > assign
> > > > > event
> > > > > > handlers in MXML (like <mx:Button
> > click="onClick()">). Instead
> > > > we
> > > > need
> > > > > to
> > > > > > assign those handlers in linked ActionScript
> class.
> > > > It's very
> > > > > difficult when
> > > > > > you deal with complex nested structures,
> repeaters,
> > ViewStack,
> > > > > Accordion and
> > > > > > their successors.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any suggestions?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you in advance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards, Sergey.
> > > >
> > > >
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