Re: [flexcoders] Re: Shouldn't we use Flex to built website

Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:46:41 -0700

> Michael I think your saying that Flex doesn't support structured text layout like HTML/XHTML in XHTML components should fill this gap nicely…hint, hint,nudge,nudge!!

HAHA, Yeah Ted that is what I meant ;-)

I see what you are saying. Se how programmed I am to the HTML stuff!!

>conform to the template in use

That is a very important statement I think. This whole thing requires a reformulation of how data is rendered WHEN it gets to the client.

Being that as it may, there is a plugable XHTML/XML - MXML transformer comming from me in the future that completly plays off of what you are saying about 'templates'. This will be a fun component that should make people real happy.

hehen fun times, invention means seeing different colors for the first time :)

Peace, Mike

On 6/30/06, Ted Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

"Flex lacks text layout;"

 

Flex supports very low level layout of Text and higher level layout text layout can be accomplished easily with <mx:Text/> and css styles. I can layout a template in Flex and style all elements but the data/model passed need to conform to the template in use.

 

Michael I think your saying that Flex doesn't support structured text layout like HTML/XHTML in XHTML components should fill this gap nicely…hint, hint,nudge,nudge!!

 

Ideally I think we should send the model (XML) over the wire and have a template (SWF) do the layout. HTML works by sending model with embedded markup over the wire and rendering it all. My proposal is more in line with XML/XSL layout where you send a small model in XML and XSL styles it into a page on the client side.

 

Cheers,

 

Ted

 

From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Schmalle
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 1:23 PM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Shouldn't we use Flex to built website

 

Just to add to this again.

Where this line is for me;

Page layout. I find myself time and time again dreaming up new things for Flex and knowing I can't do them because as much as I want to abstract out how much a user 'knows' how to read, they are just so conditioned to seeing the format and style of html.

This is where it will be interesting to see where Apollo fits into this situation. Allowing you to get the best of both worlds, Flex(web application) and HTML(web layout) to fuse together this hole in the space time continuum.

Flex lacks text layout; this cannot be disputed. This is also why AJAX is so popular because it is fusing web text layout with web application.

There is no line between web sites and web applications, it's how the user interface presents the intent of the web experience.

Peace, Mike

On 6/30/06, sleekdigital <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Please see my responses inline below...



--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Jennifer Larkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>

> Sean Corfield had his site running in PHP because he could easily
use
> an existing PHP package that did what he wanted and there was no
> ColdFusion equivalent. A frequently asked question that he got was
> "Why aren't you using ColdFusion on your personal site? Shouldn't
you
> be using ColdFusion?" He got that question a lot from people who
were
> reading his blog where he gives ColdFusion tips. If people reading
a
> ColdFusion themed blogget weirded out by the blog not employing
> ColdFusion, how do you think that someone would act if he went to
that
> site to figure out if he wanted to hire Sean for a ColdFusion job?
>

First, Blog readers are not the same audience as potential
customers. Sure potential customer's might read someone's blog, but
so will lots of other people. The people who were "weirded out"
were probably other developers who used the blog as a resource,
rather than potential customers. Also Cold Fusion vs PHP is a
different scenario than Flex vs an HTML site. Cold Fusion and PHP
have a very large degree of overlap in terms of functionality and
they serve pretty much the exact same purpose. Certainly there is
some overlap between HTML and Flex, but not nearly as much.



> Your website is your cover letter. People don't read a resume
unless
> they like the cover letter and if you can show you skill in your
cover
> letter you are supposed to. I mean, if you were up for a graphic
> design job would you send them a cover letter that looked just like
> everyone elses? That wouldn't get you that job. If someone goes to
> your website and you aren't using Flex, they may not get to your
> resume or your demo site or your previous project list because they
> may think that you don't know Flex. After all, if you did why
aren't
> you using it?
>
> Think of it this way, your site is designed to show off your
skills--
> that's the main feature of your site. It's a special case but it's
> still a valid one.

I don't think potential Flex customers are going to expect the
developer's site to be developed with Flex nor do I believethey
would get turned off if it isn't. Most will understand that HTML is
still a good choice for a personal web site. Am I giving potential
customers too much credit here? They will however expect to see
some sample work. Just because you know how to use Flex, people
aren't going to expect you to use it for everything. Plenty of Flex
customers will not even be looking for a "Flex Developer" per say.
They may not know what technology to use for their upcoming
application. Instead they will be looking for someone who knows how
to pick the right tool for the job :)

All that being said, I do think Flex 2 can and will be put to good
use for some web sites that may not be considered "web applications".



> And I don't know where to draw the line between a website and a web
> application-- I don't think anyone knows.

Its not so much that no one knows, its that there is no line, but
instead a fuzzy gray area where they overlap :)

-Steve




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