The app uses internal web services that are not accessible outside of our network. I will email you the WSDL tomorrow though and hopefully they can glean some info from it.
Thanks, Ben --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Chotin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OK, I remember seeing issues like this in 1.5 that I thought we fixed in > 2.0. If you have the WSDL and an app that can demonstrate the problem I > can ask the team to look into it. > > > > Matt > > > > ________________________________ > > From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of ben.clinkinbeard > Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 7:48 AM > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Clarification needed on how WSDL affects > conversion of AS objects to SOAP > > > > That results in this structure being created and sent: > > <SelectedPlans xmlns=""> > <item xmlns="">78167</item> > <item xmlns="">78173</item> > </SelectedPlans> > > Arrays do not seem to have their names preserved consistently. I am > assuming this is affected by the WSDL. Please, get some clarification > into the community on these issues. If my experience is > representative, companies evaluating Flex for web service-based > applications are going to be very discouraged by the lack of > documentation and may once again disregard it as a viable solution. I > would love nothing more than to convince my superiors to use Flex but > with the issues I have been running into it is making it very hard for > me to stand behind it as a solid platform for development that is > heavily reliant on web services. > > Ben > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > , "Matt Chotin" <mchotin@> wrote: > > > > Shouldn't you have another array, PlanNumber hanging off the object > (not > > array) SelectedPlans and be pushing your numbers into that? > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > ] On > > Behalf Of ben.clinkinbeard > > Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 6:11 AM > > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Clarification needed on how WSDL affects > > conversion of AS objects to SOAP > > > > > > > > Hi Matt, > > > > My current problem and questions are concerning serialization, not > > deserialization. Flex is creating SOAP requests differently for 2 > > methods of the same service, even though the AS is virtually > > identical. My only guess is that its due to the WSDL. Here is a recap > > from my previous posts. > > > > // SERIALIZES AS EXPECTED AND WORKS CORRECTLY > > args.ContainersToRetrieve = new Array(); > > args.ContainersToRetrieve.push("Client"); > > args.ContainersToRetrieve.push("IndustryTrends"); > > > > // RESULTING SOAP CALL > > <ContainersToRetrieve> > > <ContainerType>Client</ContainerType> > > <ContainerType>IndustryTrends</ContainerType> > > > > // CORRESPONDING PIECE OF WSDL > > <s:element minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded" name="ContainerType" > > type="tns:ContainerType"/> > > (tns:ContainerType maps to an enum collection) > > > > // ==================================== > > > > // DOES NOT SERIALIZE AS EXPECTED, CAUSING AN ERROR IN THE WEB SERVICE > > args.RPRSelections = new Object(); > > args.RPRSelections.SelectedPlans = new Array(); > > for(var i:int = 0; i < model.arr_selectedPlans.length; i++) > > { > > args.RPRSelections.SelectedPlans.push(model.arr_selectedPlans[i]); > > } > > > > // RESULTING SOAP CALL > > // ignores the SelectedPlans array that was created. > > <RPRSelections> > > <item>78167</item> > > <item>78173</item> > > > > // WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE > > <RPRSelections> > > <SelectedPlans> > > <PlanNumber>78167</PlanNumber> > > <PlanNumber>78173</PlanNumber> > > <SelectedPlans> > > </RPRSelections> > > > > // CORRESPONDING PIECE OF WSDL > > <s:element minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="1" name="SelectedPlans" > > type="tns:ArrayOfString"/> > > > > <s:complexType name="ArrayOfString"> > > <s:sequence> > > <s:element minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded" name="PlanNumber" > > nillable="true" type="s:string"/> > > </s:sequence> > > </s:complexType> > > > > I would LOVE to know how to fix this as right now its a total deal > > breaker for my project. > > > > Thanks, > > Ben > > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > , "Matt Chotin" <mchotin@> wrote: > > > > > > I'm not sure how WSDL structure would affect deserialization. We > have > > > mappings of the standard types into ActionScript versions. There's > not > > > a huge number of those types so we map as best as possible. Are you > > > looking for those exact details? As far as RPC vs. doc-literal, I > > > believe that the WSDL for a doc-lit generally provides less > > information > > > that we can use so we're less likely to be able serialize or > > deserialize > > > with as much accuracy as we attempt in RPC. If you use > > > resultFormat="xml" or e4x of course the doc-lit services will work > > fine, > > > though I've seen serialization work fine with doc-lit too. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, not sure if that is very helpful. If you have a more specific > > > issue I might be able to forward that in, though the engineer who > > really > > > knows our library at this point is on vacation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > ] On > > > Behalf Of ben.clinkinbeard > > > Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 10:48 AM > > > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Clarification needed on how WSDL affects > > > conversion of AS objects to SOAP > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Matt, > > > > > > The types of things I would like to see explained are what I > mentioned > > > in my previous posts. Stuff like how does > > > WSDL structure affect Flex's serialization of objects? (this is a > big > > > one) and what differences are there in Flex's treatment of > Doc/Literal > > > vs RPC/Encoded web services? > > > > > > I would also be more than willing to alpha/beta test any new > > > functionality as my entire app revolves around .NET web services. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Ben > > > > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > > , "Matt Chotin" <mchotin@> wrote: > > > > > > > > We have folks working on a complete rewrite of the web service > > library > > > > in an attempt to really bring it up to snuff. However it won't be > > > > available until the next major release. I believe we do have some > > web > > > > service articles in the works. If you have suggestions for what > > you'd > > > > like to see as far as tutorials or articles on the subject let me > > know > > > > offlist. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > > [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > > ] On > > > > Behalf Of ben.clinkinbeard > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 5:56 AM > > > > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Clarification needed on how WSDL affects > > > > conversion of AS objects to SOAP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Franck, > > > > > > > > I am also impressed at how powerful Flex + web services seem like > > they > > > > could be and I don't think my issue is related to a bug. My > > complaint > > > > is that, as far as I know, there are zero Adobe sponsored articles > > or > > > > tutorials about using web services in anything but the most basic > > and > > > > mundane ways. As both of us have said, web services are the > > mechanism > > > > that will allow the widest adoption and impact of Flex (I also > work > > in > > > > an environment where money is not the deciding factor), yet they > > have > > > > seemingly ignored the topic in their communications to developers, > > in > > > > favor FDS at every turn. > > > > > > > > Like FDS, web services are a very complex topic, but we have > > virtually > > > > no information on the finer points of their implementation. How > does > > > > WSDL structure affect Flex's serialization of objects (my current > > > > issue)? What differences are there in Flex's treatment of > > Doc/Literal > > > > vs RPC/Encoded web services? Those kinds of things. Without > Jesse's > > > > sample app on how to use web services with Flex 2 + Cairngorm 2 > we'd > > > > really be screwed. > > > > > > > > All I am saying is that the focus on FDS seems unrealistic and > > > > counter-productive to the overarching goal of massive Flex > adoption. > > I > > > > would venture to guess that the overwhelming majority of > > organizations > > > > (90%+) will not deploy FDS. Whether it be due to financial, > platform > > > > or other infrastructure reasons, it simply doesn't fit into most > > > > stacks. That being said, you would think they could give some more > > > > detailed info on how to implement the pieces of the framework that > > the > > > > rest of us are going to use. Like I said, I think Flex is great. > > > > Really great. I just don't want to see them blow the adoption > > > > challenge. Again. > > > > > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > PS - I am using Doc/literal web services > > > > > > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > , "Franck de Bruijn" > > > > <franck.de.bruijn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ben, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's try not to be too pessimistic, although you might be right > > > that > > > > > Adobe's focus is more on the FDS part than the webservices part. > > It > > > > must be > > > > > a hell of a complicated module and indeed, more money to be > > gained. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have quite some experience now with webservices, and they are > > > > extremely > > > > > difficult to work with. And I don't believe that the first > release > > > of > > > > a > > > > > product can be error free. So far, I am quite impressed with the > > > > support of > > > > > Flex for webservices, but there will be bugs. It's up to us to > > > > signal them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you though that webservices is actually the only > > > > interesting > > > > > way of communication with a back-end. For the near future, I > don't > > > > expect to > > > > > use any of the FDS features for the applications that I wish to > > > > build (and > > > > > that is for large corporations that could afford the investment > of > > > > an FDS > > > > > module). Although webservices are a pain-in-the-neck, they are > the > > > > only hope > > > > > for a full heterogeneous world of clients and servers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How are you exposing your webservice? Doc/Literal or > RPC/Encoded? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > Franck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > ] On > > > > > Behalf Of ben.clinkinbeard > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 8:59 PM > > > > > To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Clarification needed on how WSDL > affects > > > > > conversion of AS objects to SOAP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Franck, > > > > > > > > > > I am pretty sure this is all related to types and the fact that > > Flex > > > > > will serialize primitive types differently than complex ones. > The > > C# > > > > > code that creates the WS looks like this for the correctly > > > functioning > > > > > elements: > > > > > > > > > > [XmlArray("ContainersToRetrieve")] > > > > > [XmlArrayItem("ContainerType", typeof(ContainerType))] > > > > > ContainerType[] containersToRetrieve, > > > > > > > > > > and like this for the incorrect ones: > > > > > > > > > > [XmlArray("SelectedPlans")] > > > > > [XmlArrayItem("PlanNumber")] > > > > > string[] SelectedPlans > > > > > > > > > > I think the only way to fix this would be to have SelectedPlans > be > > > an > > > > > array of complex objects rather than an array of strings. > > > > > Unfortunately, I don't believe this is an option as there is > other > > > > > code that relies on this WS. > > > > > > > > > > Sigh. I really wish there was more focus on, documentation of > and > > > > > support for web services in Flex. The apparent concentration on > > FDS > > > > > seems misguided to me as I don't see is as being a viable option > > for > > > > > nearly as many organizations as web services are. I suppose I > > > > > understand that FDS deployments are where the real money would > be > > > for > > > > > Adobe, but it rings of the unrealistic and arguably unsuccessful > > > model > > > > > upon which Flex 1 and 1.5 were based on. > > > > > > > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > ups.com, > > > > > "Franck de Bruijn" > > > > > <franck.de.bruijn@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ben, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure if I'm following you, but I'll try :). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't have answers, just questions. Let me put them to you: > > > > > > > > > > > > * Could it maybe be the type="s:string" part? Is 's' pointing > to > > > the > > > > > > right xsd namespace? > > > > > > * I'm curious what is exactly making the 'ContainerType' > element > > > in > > > > > > your SOAP-message. Is it the name attribute or the type > > attribute? > > > > > If it is > > > > > > the type attribute, then for sure in the PlanNumber element > > it'll > > > > > not work > > > > > > ... > > > > > > * Could the nesting be a problem? What I see from your code > > > example, > > > > > > is that the PlanNumber elements are one level deeper than the > > > > > ContainerType > > > > > > elements. Maybe it's an idea to test a webservice operation > that > > > > takes > > > > > > straight PlanNumber elements? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck! > > > > > > > > > > > > Franck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > ups.com > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > ups.com] > > > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of ben.clinkinbeard > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 7:29 PM > > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > ups.com > > > > > > Subject: [flexcoders] Re: Clarification needed on how WSDL > > affects > > > > > > conversion of AS objects to SOAP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant to hit preview... here is the rest of my post. > > > > > > > > > > > > The pieces of the WSDL that correspond are: > > > > > > > > > > > > <s:element minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded" > > > name="ContainerType" > > > > > > type="tns:ContainerType"/> (works correctly) > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > <s:element minOccurs="0" maxOccurs="unbounded" > name="PlanNumber" > > > > > > nillable="true" type="s:string"/> (array is disregarded) > > > > > > > > > > > > Is nillable="true" causing a problem here? What changes need > to > > be > > > > > > made to make Flex treat arrays just like objects, like it does > > in > > > > the > > > > > > first operation? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com> > > > > > ups.com, > > > > > > "ben.clinkinbeard" > > > > > > <ben.clinkinbeard@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In one part of my app, I am creating my Operation.arguments > > > object > > > > > > > like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > args.ContainersToRetrieve = new Array(); > > > > > > > args.ContainersToRetrieve.push("Client"); > > > > > > > args.ContainersToRetrieve.push("IndustryTrends"); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which, as expected, results in a SOAP call like this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ContainersToRetrieve> > > > > > > > <ContainerType>Client</ContainerType> > > > > > > > <ContainerType>IndustryTrends</ContainerType> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a different spot, I am constructing a call in the same > > > manner: > > > > > > > args.RPRSelections = new Object(); > > > > > > > args.RPRSelections.SelectedPlans = new Array(); > > > > > > > for(var i:int = 0; i < model.arr_selectedPlans.length; i++) > > > > > > > { > > > > > > > > > > args.RPRSelections.SelectedPlans.push(model.arr_selectedPlans[i]); > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but that produces the following output, seemingly ignoring > the > > > > > > > SelectedPlans array that was created. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <RPRSelections> > > > > > > > <item>78167</item> > > > > > > > <item>78173</item> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! 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