Agree - as I stated when I posted, its' not scientific for all three given Java also refers to coffee and at least one book was on a flex swing for golfing which probably had little to do with e4x operators in AS3 ;-) For the books however, I suspect that Macromedia Flex would have turned up a few more than Adobe Flex.
Google is also notoriously difficult to understand in terms of how it generates its numbers. For example, this afternoon a search for "flex" now bring about 69MM hits. To try and separate adobe flex from other forms of flex, I tried two searches - one with Flex but no mention of Adobe ("flex -adobe") and a second one for "adobe + flex" (forgetting macromedia for now). The results are illogical - Flex + adobe turns up about 19MM hits so therefore "Flex -adobe" should turn up 69MM - 19MM or 50MM but it doesn't - it reports 68MM The numbers just don't add up. Grrr!!!
Nevertheless, the blog trend seems to be indicative of people talking about it publicly more and more. There is still a long way to go.
Duane
"Speaking only for myself"
On 10-Oct-06, at 11:56 AM, Brendan Meutzner wrote: As would be the number of jobs on monster.com... "flex time" would be the culprit...
On 10/10/06, Mark Piller < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 45,894 books on Flex??? That number must be so much off, given that the search for "Adobe Flex" on Amazon returns just 6. Mark --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, DUANE NICKULL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > What drives learning/adoption is jobs. When there are Flex jobs, > there will be Flex coders taking those jobs. The metrics I used for > Perl/Java/Flex are not perfect but I have found this method to be > very accurate in the past to predicting trends in the market. Given > Perl and Java are both incumbent programming languages, the odds are > stacked against Flex which is really a programming model/platform > rather than a language but I wanted to go up against the languages on > an even basis to see where Flex stacks up. The results are encouraging: > > 1. How many hits are there on Google: > Perl: 195MM > Java: 551MM (Winner) > Flex: 74MM > > 2. How many jobs have the keyword on Monster.com within 50 miles of > Zip code 95110 ( San Jose) > Perl: 360 > Java: 442 (Winner) > Flex: 28 > > > 3. How many searches on the keywords on Overture.com August 2006 > Perl: 12,332 > Java: 192,000 (Winner) > Flex: 31,964 (Yes - we beat Perl!!!) > > 4. How many searches are returned on Google Blogsearch for the last > month only: > Perl: 531 > Java: 450 > Flex: 596 (Winner) > > 5. How many books on Amazon.com does a keyword search turn up? > Perl: 13,758 > Java: 38,657 > Flex: 45, 894 (Winner) > > Of course, this is not very scientific given java also means coffee > and there are books on Google on Golf Flex. To me, the number of > books and blog mentions is really indicative of a trend just starting > to rise. > > Cheers! > > D > > "Speaking only for myself" > Blog - http://technoracle.blogspot.com > Site - http://www.nickull.net > My Music - http://www.mix2r.com/ > > > > On 10-Oct-06, at 5:51 AM, Ray wrote: > > > Matt, > > > > One of the best ways in my opinion to market Flex is by having Flex > > applications in the wild. > > > > As a ColdFusion developer I am excited about the possibilities of > > using ColdFusion and Flex together. I do however think it would be > > nice to have a few more CF Flex-centric articles and tutorials > > available. The CF wizards that are available with Flex Builder are > > great but they do not quite get me where I want to go. I would like to > > see an example application that includes security using cflogin. A > > fully functioning Flex + CF application such as cfpetstore would be > > nice too. > > > > You have a pretty passionate and vocal community of ColdFusion > > developers. Get us to be as equally vocal and passionate about Flex. I > > think that would help in marketing Flex a great deal. > > > > Ray > > > > > > --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Chotin" <mchotin@> wrote: > >> > >> Hey guys, I'm trying to get a better statement of our marketing plans > >> and what we're doing currently so you can see that we're not exactly > >> sitting idle here. In the meantime, I hear you guys say that none of > >> your friends tend to hear of Flex, but they know other > >> technologies. So > >> where do they hear about other technologies? Are they reading > >> certain > >> publications? Blogs? When they talk about other technologies do > >> they > >> actually know what they're talking about or is it just repeating the > >> buzz? > >> > >> > >> > >> Matt > >> > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> > >> From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > >> [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On > >> Behalf Of Tariq Ahmed > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 1:58 PM > >> To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com > >> Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Flex Marketing > >> > >> > >> > >> I'd agree to that. The marketing effort seems to heavily rely on the > >> development community doing that job for them. Things like labs and > >> DevNet are KEY to maximizing technology adoption - but people need to > >> know about it in the first place. > >> > >> To Restate Adobe's Goal: 1 000 000 Flex Developers by 2010. > >> > >> Some HEAVY DUTY marketing is needed. It definitely made sense to > >> capture > >> those who are most amiable to Flex (CF and Flash developers) first > >> and > >> grow from there. I think someone blogged about this before; in > >> that of > >> course Adobe related blogs are going to be heavy proponents for Adobe > >> technologies. But now it's time to penetrate into the rest of the > >> world. > >> > >> In polling my heavy duty tech friends in other industries, they > >> BARELY > >> know what Flex is. Many haven't heard of it. And some have heard > >> of it, > >> just because they heard me mention it. > >> > >> Awareness of the brand and technology needs to be more prevalent. > >> > >> Gimme a cool Flex decal and I'll put it on my car! :) > >> > >> > >> > >> Clint Modien wrote: > >> > >> I mentioned this @ the Silicon Valley Flex User Group meeting > >> the > >> other day but I wanted to reiterate it here and see if I could > >> invoke > >> a response from Adobe. > >> > >> Mr. Mendels? > >> > >> Where is the marketing for Flex? Why keep the most beautiful > >> framework in the world for creating applications a secret? Where > >> are > >> the Visual Studio style banner adds everywhere. Where is the > >> buzz for > >> it on Slashdot. Why arn't other developers in the world standing > >> up > >> and saying is creating applications really this easy!?! > >> > >> I've seen the lights go on in a developers eyes when they get > >> it. > >> When they see what 5 lines of code can acomplish with Flex. They > >> get > >> excited. Excitement sells licenses. > >> > >> (Gets off his soapbox and points to it...) ... Thoughts? > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Flexcoders Mailing List > > FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt > > Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders% > > 40yahoogroups.com > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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