> Ahh man, you're off here but it is nothing but an opinion from
both of us.
Your opinions are based on speculation. Mine are based on facts.
> Competition helps the technology thrive. A lot of people in the community
stated the Adobe >merger took the competition out of the market due to
overlapping technology >(Fireworks<->Photoshop, DW<->Go
Live, etc).
> Now, unless WebORB is said to NEVER overlap with the technologies Adobe is
implementing then I will understand. If not, there is overlap. Oh yeah, you
might want to change .NET to YES and YES according to Allen. I don't know if
Adobe is working on one or not but I don't see why they wouldn't.
There is no overlap. WebORB is doing this on purpose to stay out of
Adobe's space. Adobe is not doing a .NET version... Allen is
mistaken.
> So, a question for you: if you build a product and someone else builds the
same product, is that competition? I say yes. Is Fluourine a competitor to
Adobe's $900 (or whatever it is) .NET implementation? Uh....yeah. :-)
Adobe doesn't have a .NET implementation and is not creating one.
> Disclaimer:
> I'm not here to argue. From a business point of view, I just don't agree
with you Clint and, seemingly, Adobe doesn't either (based on your comment
about Adobe being "uncomfortable").
The main premise for your argument is that Adobe is creating a .NET
implementation. They are not. WebORB is not competing in the same
space as Adobe's FDS. It complements the same space.
>
> On 10/5/06, Clint Modien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>
wrote:
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> > How is WebORB a competitor to FDS in the AMF3 space?
> >
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> > Backends FDS WEBORB
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> > Java Yes No
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> > CF Yes No
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> > .NET No Yes
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> > Ruby No Yes
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> > PHP No Yes
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> > By promoting WebORB it would be good for the community it would be
good for Flex.
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> > I would rather have flex support 5 remoting solutions instead of 2.
> >
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> >
> > Thinking of WebORB as competition has created the scenerio where
Adobe is "uncomfortable" with promoting WebORB. Stop thinking this
way. It's supressing the technology.
> >
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> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto:flexcoders@ yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of John C. Bland II
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 4:15 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com
> > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] WebOrb for Rails
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> > You make interesting points and I agree Adobe should think/act bigger
in terms of other languages. Microsoft is even going it with .NET (IronPython,
Ruby.NET; community driven but MSFT is "supporting" them/talking
about them).
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> >
> > I don't agree with every point though. WebORB is a competitor to FDS.
Forget the implementation. The outcome is the same, right? That's all that
matters. At least this is my opinion. If WebORB works just as good as FDS, I'd
stick with ORB simply because I can change my backend and my front-end stay the
same.
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> > I have yet to get it working (only tried once while I was in another
preso so that doesn't count; lol) but I am highly interested in the Rails
integration.
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> > Anyone open to give a preso on WebORB (with any backend language it
supports) I can supply the Breeze room. :-) (hit me offlist)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/4/06, Clint Modien < [EMAIL PROTECTED]com>
wrote:
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> > I love how much buzz WebOrb is getting.
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> > Adobe is trying to keep the price of their java/flash remoting server
high. Which is understandable. They need to make money on the product or we'll
all be out of jobs. (Well I would be anyway.) But if Adobe were to aquire
WebOrb how much do you think the .NET version would be? Would the ROR and PHP
versions be GPL?
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> > Anyway licensing costs aside... Adobe is not making a .net version...
as far as i know wondertwin (.net fds) was still born in 04'. I do however feel
that Adobe is and has been making an enourmous mistake by only supporting
Java/CF. How do they expect to reach a million developers by only supporting
Java/CF?
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> > Adobe needs to hold up WebOrb to the public and say... "Look
Flex/Flash/Apollo can support remote objects for multiple backends!!!"
WebOrb isn't even producing a Java remoting implementation to stay out of
Adobe's space and allow them to capitalize on the Java market of the large
corporations. WEBORB IS NOT A COMPETITOR TO FDS BECAUSE WEBORB DOES NOT SUPPORT
JAVA. IT COMPLEMENTS IT. Why isn't WebOrb all over the dev center? Why isn't
Adobe pushing it?
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> > How many developers in the world use Java, CF, .NET, PHP, Ruby ?? 75%
?
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> > How many people is that in the world? 50 million?
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> > On 10/4/06, Allen Riddle < [EMAIL PROTECTED]pital.com>
wrote:
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> > I've been looking at The Midnight Coder's WebOrb for Rails and I'm
very impressed. Has Adobe given any thought to hiring these developers so they
could get these implementations ported into Adobe's Flex Data Services? I know
Adobe's working on a .NET implementation, but getting a Ruby implementation
would be fantastic.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Spitzer
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 1:27 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
> > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] SOAP Web Services and registerClassAlias
> >
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> > Thanks Seth. I should have read the docs. :)... "Preserves the class
> > (type) of an object when the object is encoded in Action Message
Format
> > (AMF)." I didn't know it was AMF specific.
> >
> > It /would/ be great to see some more support for this kind of thing.
In
> > the past we've done things like...
> >
> > response.__proto__ = User.prototype;
> > Function(User).call(response);
> > var user: User = User(response);
> >
> > Where response is the parsed anonymous object from the web service
and
> > User is the type. Now, I'm having to manually iterate the anonymous
> > object and populate an instance of the type.
> >
> > best,
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > Seth Hodgson wrote:
> > > Hi Paul,
> > >
> > > registerClassAlias(...) is used by the Flash Player to
drive AMF serialization/deserialization. In the web service scenario,
you're not getting back AMF formatted data so this built-in function doesn't
help out.
> > >
> > > For now, you'll need to write your own helper classes that take
the e4x formatted result from your web service invocation and use it to create
a typed instance(s) of your choosing.
> > >
> > > Streamlining this process is on our roadmap.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Seth
> > >
> > > ________________________________________
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com]
On Behalf Of Paul Spitzer
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 10:13 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [flexcoders] SOAP Web Services and
registerClassAlias
> > >
> > > Or, a little less specific... is there a way to get the Web
Service
> > > classes to return typed objects?
> > >
> > > Paul Spitzer wrote:
> > >
> > >> Anyone know if there a way to use registerClassAlias with
Web Services
> > >> to get typed objects back?
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