Eric Wachsmann <mailto:[email protected]>
May 21, 2013 1:01 PM
A few points:
1. The demos we ran on iPads at Dayton 2012 were screen sharing
applications showing the .NET windows app. No native iOS app from Flex was
involved.
2. We have 2 layers of APIs defined at this point. One at the ethernet
layer and one in .NET to facilitate further Windows client development.
Each was necessary to complete a Windows client (where the majority of the
market in general, and our customers specifically reside).
3. The ethernet API which is being proven in the windows client, can (and
will) be used to enable clients on other platforms.
4. We looked around at what the major players in the technology world are
doing and what we found was that everyone was doing native apps for each
platform (for example, you are seeing google do gmail/drive/maps apps for
iOS/android/etc). With this in mind, we chose to follow this model with an
emphasis on defining a clear API at the ethernet level to speed
development. This is a different approach than trying to build the
one-size-fits-all cross platform application.
Eric Wachsmann
FlexRadio Systems
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Mickey Baker <mailto:[email protected]>
May 21, 2013 11:40 AM
Tim wrote:
At this time, FlexRadio Systems is only working on the Windows client.
There have been no announcements regarding any different client software.
That's all I know, Ed, although multiple client support was a clear future
at product announcement. Demos were running (obviously mockups) at Dayton
2012 on iPads.
"Free beer tomorrow."
73,
Mickey N4MB
On Tuesday, May 21, 2013, Ed Haskell wrote:
Mickey, did I miss something? Did Flex Radio announce that the only
interface software will be this .NET package or is it just the first of one
or more others?
Ed W1PN
On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 11:28 AM, Mickey
Baker<[email protected]<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', '[email protected]');>
wrote:
Thanks, Tim, for your frank and cogent answers, although I must tell you
that I am disappointed in what appears to be a divergence in product
direction for the client.
.NET is itself a proprietary system that makes cross-development for
non-windows platforms that much tougher. Last year's exhibit of iPads
running simulation code gave me hope that y'all were committed to a true
lightweight, cross platform client. It is now clear that expediency won
out over design intent in this case.
I've not complained the first time about late product. I know that
engineers and software people are basically optimistic people or they
would
have never chosen these careers, and that good intentions do not resolve
development issues. I have stood in front of angry customers and tried to
explain late product and I know that it is uncomfortable and that things
take as long as they take.
But the choice to go Windows only, painting development into that corner
with .NET, is my biggest disappointment yet.
73,
Mickey N4MB
On Tuesday, May 21, 2013, Tim Ellison wrote:
See my answers in-line below
Tim Ellison
On 5/21/2013 9:22 AM, Mickey Baker wrote:
Tim,
That seems clear at this point.
A few related questions that were outstanding and answered vaguely at
Dayton 2012, but I'm checking to see if the answers have changed...
Where does the "ubiquitous client" stand? You'll recall discussion
about
tablet, Mac and Linux support, but "not in the first release." Are there
resources working on this, given the .NET 4.0 decision? Has the roadmap
changed?
At this time, FlexRadio Systems is only working on the Windows client.
There have been no announcements regarding any different client
software.
Since there will be an ongoing cost for SmartSDR support, and
apparently
there is no open source client, has a decision been reached to release
specifications so that third part developers (that aren't employed by
FlexRadio Systems) can produce client software? Or not to do so?
Yes. There is an evolving API available to developers to facilitate the
communication between a client and the radio.
Thanks and 73,
Mickey N4MB
On Tuesday, May 21, 2013, Tim Ellison wrote:
James T, SmartSDR is *not* a browser application, it is a Windows WPF
application that uses .NET 4.0.
All you have to do is connect the FLEX-6000 to your wired Ethernet LAN,
install SmartSDR on a Windows XP SP3 and above PC that is also
connected to
the same LAN, start SmartSDR, choose your FLEX-6000 from the radio
discovery list and you are operational.
The other standard radio connections apply; 13.8 VDC power supply
connection, antenna, speakers or headphones, microphone or key.
Tim Ellison
On 5/21/2013 2:34 AM, Michael Hasenfratz wrote:
Neal,
I don't think SmartSDR is a browser app. I believe it is a Windows
APP;
otherwise, it would be MAC comparable.
Michael Hasenfratz
========================
Light travels faster than sound.
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On May 20, 2013, at 11:00 PM, "James T Kirk"<[email protected]>
wrote:
Speaking of slathering, what type of “guaranteed setup” do you need for
your signature SDR other than an Ethernet port and browser capability?
It’s
is one step up from plugging in a monitor...not necessarily a bad thing.
The VT100 lives on.
From: Neal Campbell
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 7:07 PM
To: James T Kirk
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FlexEdge] FLEX-5000A End of Manufacturing Announcement
You are right because it really doesn't matter what the "procurement
difficulties" were.
One thing I could sense while working at the Flex booth last weekend:
These guys are all really excited about this rig and the things they
have
dreamed up for it.
They have drunken their own koolaid.
Being in senior management for most of my career, I have seen fake
enthusiasm slathered on defective products that would never provide 10%
of
promised functiona
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Mickey Baker, N4MB
Fort Lauderdale, FL
*“Tell me, and I will listen. Show me, and I will understand. Involve me,
and I will learn.” *Teton Lakota, American Indian Saying.
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Ed Haskell <mailto:[email protected]>
May 21, 2013 11:33 AM
Mickey, did I miss something? Did Flex Radio announce that the only
interface software will be this .NET package or is it just the first
of one
or more others?
Ed W1PN
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Mickey Baker <mailto:[email protected]>
May 21, 2013 11:28 AM
Thanks, Tim, for your frank and cogent answers, although I must tell you
that I am disappointed in what appears to be a divergence in product
direction for the client.
.NET is itself a proprietary system that makes cross-development for
non-windows platforms that much tougher. Last year's exhibit of iPads
running simulation code gave me hope that y'all were committed to a true
lightweight, cross platform client. It is now clear that expediency won
out over design intent in this case.
I've not complained the first time about late product. I know that
engineers and software people are basically optimistic people or they
would
have never chosen these careers, and that good intentions do not resolve
development issues. I have stood in front of angry customers and tried to
explain late product and I know that it is uncomfortable and that things
take as long as they take.
But the choice to go Windows only, painting development into that corner
with .NET, is my biggest disappointment yet.
73,
Mickey N4MB
Tim Ellison <mailto:[email protected]>
May 21, 2013 10:05 AM
See my answers in-line below
Tim Ellison
On 5/21/2013 9:22 AM, Mickey Baker wrote:
Tim,
That seems clear at this point.
A few related questions that were outstanding and answered vaguely at
Dayton 2012, but I'm checking to see if the answers have changed...
Where does the "ubiquitous client" stand? You'll recall discussion
about tablet, Mac and Linux support, but "not in the first release."
Are there resources working on this, given the .NET 4.0 decision? Has
the roadmap changed?
At this time, FlexRadio Systems is only working on the Windows
client. There have been no announcements regarding any different
client software.
Since there will be an ongoing cost for SmartSDR support, and
apparently there is no open source client, has a decision been
reached to release specifications so that third part developers (that
aren't employed by FlexRadio Systems) can produce client software?
Or not to do so?
Yes. There is an evolving API available to developers to facilitate
the communication between a client and the radio.
Thanks and 73,
Mickey N4MB
On Tuesday, May 21, 2013, Tim Ellison wrote:
James T, SmartSDR is *not* a browser application, it is a Windows
WPF application that uses .NET 4.0.
All you have to do is connect the FLEX-6000 to your wired Ethernet
LAN, install SmartSDR on a Windows XP SP3 and above PC that is
also connected to the same LAN, start SmartSDR, choose your
FLEX-6000 from the radio discovery list and you are operational.
The other standard radio connections apply; 13.8 VDC power supply
connection, antenna, speakers or headphones, microphone or key.
Tim Ellison
On 5/21/2013 2:34 AM, Michael Hasenfratz wrote:
Neal,
I don't think SmartSDR is a browser app. I believe it is a
Windows APP; otherwise, it would be MAC comparable.
Michael Hasenfratz
========================
Light travels faster than sound.
This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
On May 20, 2013, at 11:00 PM, "James T Kirk"
<[email protected]> wrote:
Speaking of slathering, what type of “guaranteed setup” do
you need for your signature SDR other than an Ethernet
port and browser capability? It’s is one step up from
plugging in a monitor...not necessarily a bad thing. The
VT100 lives on.
From: Neal Campbell
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 7:07 PM
To: James T Kirk
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FlexEdge] FLEX-5000A End of Manufacturing
Announcement
You are right because it really doesn't matter what the
"procurement difficulties" were.
One thing I could sense while working at the Flex booth
last weekend: These guys are all really excited about this
rig and the things they have dreamed up for it.
They have drunken their own koolaid.
Being in senior management for most of my career, I have
seen fake enthusiasm slathered on defective products that
would never provide 10% of promised functionality (sadly,
even had to do my share of the slathering). I personally
worked for a CIO who bragged about shipping blank CDs
instead of programs because he could blame shipping and it
gave him another 4-5 months of time to work on the slipped
schedule. That is not the state of affairs here. You could
hear, during down time, the guys exchanging ideas about
what this rig will do to change how we play radio.
I guess what I am saying is they really believe its a Game
Changer even though you can go get an Indian rig that
gives you a lot of the same stuff.
That makes me give them a fair look when the radio hits my
desk.
73
Neal Campbell
Abroham Neal LLC
HUGE DAYTON CELEBRATION SALE!!
Time to get the guaranteed setup for your SDR!
Now until end-May
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Mickey Baker, N4MB
Fort Lauderdale, FL
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me, and I will learn.” /Teton Lakota, American Indian Saying.
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