It sounds like this may be something we can just agree to disagree on
and add a checkbox so everyone is happy.


Eric Wachsmann
FlexRadio Systems

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 3:31 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Tom Thompson'; flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Mouse wheel tunning on v1.4.5 pre3
> 
> > Please see my comments below.
> >
> [snip]
> >
> >> The second principle that is not, to my understanding, implemented
or
> >> planned is that typing a frequency should _only_ take effect when
the
> >> mouse is over the VFO A _or_ VFO B displays.  I have many times
wanted
> > to
> >> directly type something into VFO B.  To my knowledge, this can't be
> > done
> >> without doing the A<>B thing and then A<>B after.  Awkward and, in
> > some
> >> scenarios, counterproductive since you might be listening to A.  It
> > hurt
> >> us a couple of times in the DXpedtion to have the frequency change
> > when we
> >> happened to have the focus slip from N1MM to the PowerSDR and then
> > typed a
> >> number.  There's workarounds, but it should be harder to make this
> > mistake
> >> IMHO.  Frequencies disappear fast in a contest.  For now, I would
> > settle
> >> for the typing to only matter when the cursor is in VFO A's area of
> > the
> >> screen.  That would help a lot.
> >
> >
> > [Eric Wachsmann] Contrarily, I believe it is useful to be able to
key in
> > a frequency (in MHz) and hit enter to go there quickly.  Having to
mouse
> > up to the VFO first makes things both more complex and more
cumbersome.
> > You can still mouse up there and click inside the VFO if you would
> > rather have that method of tuning.
> >
> 
> Here, my friend, we profoundly disagree.
> 
> 1.  I have been hurt by this many times (especially likely, IMHO, when
> running 3rd party programs like N1MM and MixW as we increasingly do,
but a
> problem even before that).  It's just too easy to do this by mistake.
> 
> 2.  I have _never_ benefitted from it, at least not compared to my
> proposal.  When making a very gross change in frequency (that's the
only
> reason I can think of to take the trouble to type a frequency in),
moving
> up to the VFO A area is not a big added effort, at least not compared
to
> the number of times I've lost a frequency due to accidently changing
it,
> thanks to the "type everywhere" of today's design.  The added benefit,
if
> I could get it, of changing VFO B that way would be an even bigger
> compensation for the added work.
> 
> >
> >> The third principle is that there needs to be an "undo" (perhaps
the
> > Esc
> >> key) that restores the frequency to whatever it was before one
started
> >> typing.  Moreover, the change should not take effect until the
typing
> > is
> >> completed (with, for instance, the enter key).  Similarly, an
> > incomplete
> >> typing (no enter key) should either do nothing or revert after some
> > sort
> >> of time out, implementor's choice.
> >
> >
> > [Eric Wachsmann] Ask and your wish shall be granted.  This was
> > implemented in PowerSDR Beta v1.4.5 Preview 1.  Try it out.
> >
> 
> I gotta catch up, that's for sure.  Been hanging back with 1.4.4 and
even
> 1.4.1 (currently preferred for digial work because it lacks some of
the
> SSB signal shaping improvements!).
> 
> "Undo" is a big help.  Thank you very much for that.  But I still
don't
> want the "type anywhere" functionality for frequency changes.  For me,
it
> is mischief and it doesn't make a lot of intuitive sense to me,
either.  I
> would _expect_ to have to put the cursor into the VFO display to
change
> frequency anyway.
> 
> Regardless of my intution, I wonder what the collective user community
> thinks about this one?  Do they like it or do they view (as I do) that
the
> problems outweigh the benefit?
> 
> 
> 
> Larry
> 



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