Hello Christian: Your comments are sound. As I said, there are many facets to FG and the companies, organisations and individuals that use, develop or follow FG in some form or other.
Can this be undertaken as a pure open source venture? No, it has to have substance for it to be viable. To achieve this, who actually centralises FG and the way it operates? Perhaps Curt can throw some light on this. Professionally, I turnkey major projects globally from zero, but when I bring different parties together, I know what each party is capable of and the parameters of their respective operations. Here, it would assist if contact could be made with the companies that you mentioned to discuss the opportunities available and not just here with the Singapore project. The ramifications for FG on a project like this are numerous. The risks associated with this project can be calculated, but we operate on calculated risks. The use of FG commercially is only undertaken by business having calculated those risks. This is where FG must surely place its credibility to go forward. To proceed with this project it requires a central organisation to pivot around and organise the strategy and collate all the information required. Who does what, where and when is not the problem here, it is the identification of the "who" that is difficult for me to understand on an open source operation such as FG. It is the communication to such potential parties that must be understood. Again, it comes back as to who has the responsibility for FG and its operation as it stands. With this major question answered, I would take this forward professionally with the assistance I would require from within. The building blocks required for the Singapore project, could be used for other projects as it is possible to identify the needs of other aviation orientated operations. These forums are the public side of FG and the hub of the interaction by a small number of persons that use them. No doubt the numbers that read them are greater than this. As the forum is on the web they do come up in searches for other topics using search engines. Alas, I have been surprised where my own comments have been found sometimes! I take this opportunity very seriously, so if it is viable, no, it is viable. It is just a matter of how WE can go about it, to bring together all the parties that can contribute to its future success. One could say that this is the beginning to put a professional face to FG as a separate entity. It will be the end product that is being continually developed by open source. The comments that are made on the forums do come from some very talented persons in their own right. To harness this, for a more global and efficient use of such talent, would be for a much broader use of open source, in the actual commercialisation of FG for the future funding and prosperity of FG itself. Is FG a legal entity? Who takes the responsibility for FG? The spirit of open source continues, with the opportunity of harnessing and using individual commercial, technical, development, administration and legal talent in the furtherance of FG. FG has a commercial side where this talent is used and marketed. This would be a breakthrough, even on its own where end-users will have the knowledge that FG is being used in commercial operations and not just a free download to be treated as a toy! Curt, perhaps you could copy me an email explaining the administration and operation of FG, to understand this better. With Best Wishes for 2006 to All. Martin -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 5:05 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Flightgear-users digest, Vol 1 #179 - 4 msgs Send Flightgear-users mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Flightgear-users digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Can FG Take up This Challenge? (Christian Mayer) 2. Can FG Take up this Challenge (MPCEE French Bureau) 3. Re: Can FG Take up this Challenge (Arnt Karlsen) 4. Re: FlightGear Install Question--newbie (Dick Murphy) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 11:53:31 +0100 From: Christian Mayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: Christian Mayer =?ISO-8859-1?Q?B=FCro-_und_EDV-Systeme?= To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Can FG Take up This Challenge? Reply-To: [email protected] -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 MPCEE French Bureau schrieb: > The Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore invites interested companies > to tender for the design, supply, delivery, installation, testing and > commissioning on a turn-key basis of an Aerodrome Simulator and its > maintenance services for Singapore Aviation Academy. It sounds interesting. But I doubt an open source project can achive it. You'll allways need a company that is responsible (also for any lawsuits if something goes wrong) and that can offer to do any maintenence work. And that company could easily take FGFS as the main building block. (Think of Linux and SuSE/Novell or RedHat - that's the same constellation) So I hope that some company steps foreward now. CU, Christian -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (MingW32) iD8DBQFDtmMrlhWtxOxWNFcRApxcAJkBjLUsV/ftmjWI7Img7TxU53aueQCdEek8 TTS8UcxJUiF3NYe52dbcYcI= =fW2E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "MPCEE French Bureau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:26:07 +0100 Subject: [Flightgear-users] Can FG Take up this Challenge Reply-To: [email protected] Hello: The previous posting had all the HTML rubbish attached to it, so this is sent by Plain Text, trying to avoid that. This tender came to me today. With all the talent available throughout FG= , perhaps we could all get together to undertake this. The proceeds would p= ay for the time put in, with the profit put towards FG's future. This came t= o me through official diplomatic sources, but does provide a challenge. For those of you who are technically competent in these things, I am not; can= I have your thoughts? We do have FG members in the Far East who, just maybe= , could attend this initial brief in Singapore! I have not included the contact details at this stage. When posting replies, please copy me on [EMAIL PROTECTED] so I can keep = the responses separate etc. With Regards to All Singapore - Supply of an Aerodrome Simulator Audience: Customers Only About this Tender Product/Service required The Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore invites interested companies to tender for the design, supply, delivery, installation, testing and commissioning on a turn-key basis of an Aerodrome Simulator and its maintenance services for Singapore Aviation Academy. Specific details of requirements The scope of works include: a. A realistic 360=BA Airport view with cylindrical screen and front-projection system without mullion; b. Appropriate numbers of projectors, image generator(s) and any other equipment necessary for the generation of the scenery of an aerodrome environment; c. Controller (i.e Runway Controller and Ground Movement Controller) Workstations equipped with the necessary equipment to train air traffic controller on ATC operations; d. Pseudo Pilot Workstation equipped with necessary equipment to support aerodrome control training; e. Exercise Supervisor/ Exercise Preparation/ Maintenance Workstations equipped with the necessary equipment required to support the aerodrome control training and maintenance; f. Uninterrupted Power Supply (UPS) capable of providing at least (10) minutes System's backup time; and g. Any other items required for successful commissioning, operations and maintenance of the system. Tender type General Procurement Tender Number CAA000/SAA/2005/T06 Bid bond details Bond amount (%) Funded by Government Funded by details Value of tender Tender documents availability Tender documents availability details (From Elsewhere) www.gebiz.gov.sg Cost of tender documents Closing date for purchasing tender documents Closing Date (response needed by) 2006-02-06 00:00:00.0 Language to respond in English Source of tender information Tender information and documents can be found at: http://www.gebiz.gov.sg/scripts/main.do;wlsessionid=3DD0z1xwncHD5WUITWQTu= iIof9 1A0fjV2qw8F3DyyECO0ZbgK9GtGo!-1212811607!-1604275351!7001!-1!NONE?doctype= =3DTT &doc=3DCAA000ETT05000213 Other relevant information The tender is opened to the following supply heads: 1. EPU/CMP/10 - Computer Related Hardware, Software, and Services (Minimu= m Financial Category EPPU S7 up to $5,000,000) 2. EPU/CNE/10 - Communication and Navigation Systems (Minimum Financial Category EPPU S7 up to $5,000,000) Interested companies are to attend a compulsory site briefing on 09/01/20= 06, 10:30 AM at Main Entrance Lobby, Singapore Aviation Academy, No 1, Aviati= on Drive, Singapore 499867. Companies can consider sending their regional representative to attend the briefing. Interested companies are required to submit your offer for the items in t= his tender electronically via www.gebiz.gov.sg. Manual and faxed bids will no= t be accepted. You are required to submit the attach file "Schedule of Pric= e A,B,C and Schedule of Rate A" of the tender document as an attachment to your electronic submission. Please refer to Para 6 of the Instructions To Tenderers in the tender document for submission details. Only catalogues = & other supporting documents may be submitted into Tender Box No 1 located = at CAAS Reception Counter, 4th Storey, Terminal 2, Singapore Changi Airport. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 21:42:48 +0100 From: Arnt Karlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] Can FG Take up this Challenge Organization: ing. Arnt Karlsen Reply-To: [email protected] On Sat, 31 Dec 2005 12:26:07 +0100, MPCEE wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Hello: > > The previous posting had all the HTML rubbish attached to it, so this > is sent by Plain Text, trying to avoid that. > > This tender came to me today. With all the talent available throughout > FG, perhaps we could all get together to undertake this. The proceeds > would pay for the time put in, with the profit put towards FG's > future. This came to me through official diplomatic sources, ..huh? 8o) > but does provide a challenge. For those of you who are technically > competent in these things, I am not; can I have your thoughts? We do > have FG members in the Far East who, just maybe, could attend this > initial brief in Singapore! ..they'll accept "regional representative", that'll work. > I have not included the contact details at this stage. > > When posting replies, please copy me on [EMAIL PROTECTED] so I can > keep the responses separate etc. > > With Regards to All > > > > Singapore - Supply of an Aerodrome Simulator > Audience: Customers Only > About this Tender > Product/Service required > The Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore invites interested companies > to tender for the design, supply, delivery, installation, testing and > commissioning on a turn-key basis of an Aerodrome Simulator and its > maintenance services for Singapore Aviation Academy. > Specific details of requirements > The scope of works include: > a. A realistic 360º Airport view with cylindrical screen and > front-projection system without mullion; ..easy, AFAICT, apart from the initial funding. We have most of sw we need, we just need hardware and the initial funding. THAT, however is _not_ easy, it is the likely show stopper. This tender closes on Feb 6th, and we cannot expect them to move much sooner than the 6 months they request for the bid evaluations. However the bid winner gets 10% of the payment as the contract is awarded, and that will get us past all the next milestones. > b. Appropriate numbers of projectors, image generator(s) and any other > equipment necessary for the generation of the scenery of an aerodrome > environment; ..ditto. > c. Controller (i.e Runway Controller and Ground Movement Controller) > Workstations equipped with the necessary equipment to train air > traffic controller on ATC operations; ..they know about good old atc in the bsdgames? ;o) > d. Pseudo Pilot Workstation equipped with necessary equipment to > support aerodrome control training; ..they are training pilot's too, or is this just sparring partner traffic? In the latter case, we have 2 different AI traffic generators they wanna control from this seat, and the next. > e. Exercise Supervisor/ Exercise Preparation/ Maintenance Workstations > equipped with the necessary equipment required to support the > aerodrome control training and maintenance; ..here is where we trawl for more developers: let's make this _sexy_. > f. Uninterrupted Power Supply (UPS) capable of providing at least (10) > minutes System's backup time; and ..hey! A new spot for my gas power plant. ;o) ..we need bird flocks too. ..seriously, rather than giving them a measly 10 minutes to shut down, I like to read this as "giv'em days of uninterrupted hell for the sweaty trainees taking diverted traffic away from WWIII, with helpful tsunamis washing the parked crowds away so they can land more even planes". > g. Any other items required for successful commissioning, operations > and maintenance of the system. ..our foot in the door, would be the CAAS' "discretion to accept our offer in whole or in part". They expect us to carry all expenses prepping the tender. > Tender type > General Procurement > Tender Number > CAA000/SAA/2005/T06 > Bid bond details > > Bond amount (%) > > Funded by > Government > Funded by details > > Value of tender > > Tender documents availability > Tender documents availability details (From Elsewhere) > www.gebiz.gov.sg > Cost of tender documents > > Closing date for purchasing tender documents > > Closing Date (response needed by) > 2006-02-06 00:00:00.0 > Language to respond in > English > Source of tender information > Tender information and documents can be found at: > http://www.gebiz.gov.sg/scripts/main.do;wlsessionid=D0z1xwncHD5WUITWQTuiIof9 1A0fjV2qw8F3DyyECO0ZbgK9GtGo!-1212811607!-1604275351!7001!-1!NONE?doctype=TT &doc=CAA000ETT05000213 > > Other relevant information > The tender is opened to the following supply heads: > 1. EPU/CMP/10 - Computer Related Hardware, Software, and Services > (Minimum Financial Category EPPU S7 up to $5,000,000) > 2. EPU/CNE/10 - Communication and Navigation Systems (Minimum > Financial Category EPPU S7 up to $5,000,000) > Interested companies are to attend a compulsory site briefing on > 09/01/2006, 10:30 AM at Main Entrance Lobby, Singapore Aviation > Academy, No 1, Aviation Drive, Singapore 499867. Companies can > consider sending their regional representative to attend the briefing. http://www.gebiz.gov.sg/scripts/itt_tt/CAA000ETT05000213/Full_Tender_Doc_Aer odrome.pdf http://www.gebiz.gov.sg/scripts/itt_tt/CAA000ETT05000213/Aero Schedule of Prices.xls ..ok, anyone near Singapore? > Interested companies are required to submit your offer for the items > in this tender electronically via www.gebiz.gov.sg. Manual and faxed > bids will not be accepted. You are required to submit the attach file > "Schedule of Price A,B,C and Schedule of Rate A" of the tender > document as an attachment to your electronic submission. Please refer > to Para 6 of the Instructions To Tenderers in the tender document for > submission details. Only catalogues & other supporting documents may > be submitted into Tender Box No 1 located at CAAS Reception Counter, > 4th Storey, Terminal 2, Singapore Changi Airport. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. --__--__-- Message: 4 Subject: Re: [Flightgear-users] FlightGear Install Question--newbie From: Dick Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2005 18:12:33 -0700 Reply-To: [email protected] When I launch FlightGear, it opens with the c172 on the KSFO runway. Two questions: 1. Is there a way to increase the power of the c172? It can barely climb at 500 fps and at that is on the stall speed. A real c172 would climb at 75-80 kts and 500-600 fps, right? Certainly more fun to fly than brand 'x' but not a glossy a package. 2. Has anyone built a GUI menu to pick an a/c before flight? Without a bunch of file editing and command line starting? I'm still struggling with that. Newby thanx, rlm --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Flightgear-users mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users End of Flightgear-users Digest ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_idv37&alloc_id865&op=click _______________________________________________ Flightgear-users mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
