The icons in MS Word are really good. (enclosed)

One thing that I really like about them is that they are two different colors. But the other thing about them which helps make them clearer as to their purpose is that they are always seen together. I'm not sure that we would want use so much room.


- Eli 

On Aug 26, 2008, at 6:19 PM, Allison Bloodworth wrote:

Hi all, 

In an ideal world we'd have the icons we wanted picked out, and could rely on the tooltip to give folks the information about what exactly they were. I do believe it would be best to to use the sort of standard, mirrored arrow-type Undo and Redo icons (e.g. a la Microsoft Word, see the Undo & Redo icons on this page: http://www.readyicons.com/iconset-preview.php?id=11), but wasn't able to find a free version that I liked when I looked. 

If we are just uing Undo, I think the icon we have is OK for now. If we are also testing Redo, it would be better to have text if we can't find better icons. I can take another look around for some tomorrow. 

Allison

On Aug 26, 2008, at 2:05 PM, Daphne Ogle wrote:

I'm voting for a text link rather than icons.

-Daphne

On Aug 26, 2008, at 2:03 PM, Eli Cochran wrote:

Daphne,
I agree with you that there will probably be some confusion around Undo and Redo. I'm not sure I understand what you are suggesting. There is already a tooltip for Undo/Redo (at least there is in FF, I just used the title tag). Are you saying that you would also like a label next to or under the icon? 

Let me know. I'll revisit this tomorrow. 

- Eli 

On Aug 26, 2008, at 1:51 PM, Daphne Ogle wrote:

Looks good Eli!  Nice work!

A couple of things:

-  Until we come up with a meaningful icon I vote for using text to make it clear what the user can do.  The addition of undo adds some challenge for the user to not only figure out what one icon does but what 2 siimilar only mirrored icons do.  Because of their similarity its also more difficult to distinguish between them and when they change.

-  Just an FYI for everyone -- there is still a debate about the usefulness and need for redo in the simple text field edit context here.  We are hoping user testing will help us better understand the tradeoffs of adding the complexity versus how often redo is actually needed.

-Daphne

On Aug 26, 2008, at 12:52 PM, Justin wrote:

Hi Eli,

I've been checking it out today. It looks good.

I've added it to the Inline Edit QA test plan. Now we will be able to do QA testing on the undo/redo functionality. 

Thanks
Justin

On 26-Aug-08, at 3:34 PM, Eli Cochran wrote:

Hi folks,
The Section Info based inline edit sample is pretty much done. 

There is a little bit of accessibility work to be done with the Undo/Redo, Undo/Redo is in the wrong tab order because I'm floating it right. I'm doing this for formatting reasons and I can fix it with a little more sophisticated markup when I get a chance. Also when you activate Undo or Redo, the focus should stay on the Undo/Redo link.

But other than that, I think that it's in good shape. Certainly good enough for testing and for beta. 

Inline Edit and the Undo code are very fun to work with. Kudos to those who developed on the code. Very easy to implement. Well, I had a little trouble with Undo, but once Colin helped me with an undocumented and slightly confusing API change, it worked like a charm. 


- Eli 


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