Agreed. Apologies folks, it was a knee jerk reaction to a statement I found offensive.
ChrisM On 8 July 2010 19:17, Alex Abate Biral <[email protected]> wrote: > People, I really think this isn't the right mailing list for this kind of > discussion. > > On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 3:11 PM, chris mills <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On 8 July 2010 17:40, BGB <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> however, morals, ... would seem to be degraded in industrialized nations >>> (note the widespread prevelance of promiscuity, gays, gangs and violence, >>> ...), so this may be a cost associated with industrialization (although >>> there is not any obvious reason why one would lead to the other). this may >>> also be a cost of urbanization though, I don't know. >>> >>> >> Whoa there, going off topic a bit I know, but I take offence to the >> suggestion that homosexuality is evidence of moral degradation. Indeed as an >> unashamed european lefty I would argue that discrimination against gays, >> minorities, etc is actually greater evidence of moral degradation and this >> is thankfully becoming less common in the industrialised world. And I would >> suggest you have a word with a Rwandan, Zimbabwean or Afghan (to name but a >> few) about whether gangs and violence are worst in the industrialised >> nations or non-industrialised. Or if you wish to argue against urbanisation >> I am pretty sure that my own country (england) had some pretty nasty >> violence before large scale urbanisation - civil wars, violence of >> landowners against those living on their land, persecution of >> catholics/protestants (depending on whether catholics or protestants were in >> charge at the time), burning folks at the stake for unsubstantiated >> accusations of witch craft, etc. >> A change in the prevailing moral code does not imply a degradation. >> _______________________________________________ >> fonc mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > [email protected] > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc > >
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