Your point about politics is so true. Check out a great classic paper by Mel Conway at: http://www.melconway.com/Home/Committees_Paper.html "Any organization that designs a system (defined broadly) will produce a design whose structure is a copy of the organization's communication structure."
It's been called Conway's Law. cheers, -David On Aug 18, 2011, at 4:35 AM, karl ramberg wrote: > The fact that a very powerful idea can be captured in so few lines of code is > really mind-blowing. > Making complex but manageable systems out of it is another subject. > I find that the bigger and more complex a system grows it gets to be more > about politics than about the "powerful idea". > > Thanks for the reading tip > > Karl > > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:41 AM, Alan Kay <alan.n...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Take a look at Landin's papers and especially ISWIM ("The next 700 > programming languages") > > You don't so much want to learn Lisp as to learn "the idea of Lisp" > > Cheers, > > Alan > > From: karl ramberg <karlramb...@gmail.com> > > To: Fundamentals of New Computing <fonc@vpri.org> > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:00 PM > > Subject: Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk > > Hi, > Just reading a Lisp book my self. > Lisp seems to be very pure at the bottom level. > The nesting in parentheses are hard to read and comprehend / debug. > Things get not so pretty when all sorts of DSL are made to make it more > powerful. > The REPL give it a kind of wing clipped aura; there is more to computing than > text io > > Karl > > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 8:00 PM, DeNigris Sean <s...@clipperadams.com> wrote: > Alan, > > While we're on the subject, you finally got to me and I started learning > LISP, but I'm finding an entire world, rather than a cohesive language or > philosophy (Scheme - which itself has many variants, Common LISP, etc). What > would you recommend to "get it" in the way that changes your thinking? What > should I be reading, downloading, coding, etc. > > Thanks. > Sean DeNigris >> You wouldn't say that "Lisp 1.5 Programmer's Manual" is outdated would you? >> :-) > > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > fonc@vpri.org > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc > > > > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > fonc@vpri.org > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc > > > > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > fonc@vpri.org > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc > > > _______________________________________________ > fonc mailing list > fonc@vpri.org > http://vpri.org/mailman/listinfo/fonc
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