Your point about politics is so true.
Check out a great classic paper by Mel Conway at:
http://www.melconway.com/Home/Committees_Paper.html
"Any organization that designs a system (defined broadly) will produce a design
whose structure is a copy of the organization's communication structure."
It's been called Conway's Law.
cheers,
-David
On Aug 18, 2011, at 4:35 AM, karl ramberg wrote:
> The fact that a very powerful idea can be captured in so few lines of code is
> really mind-blowing.
> Making complex but manageable systems out of it is another subject.
> I find that the bigger and more complex a system grows it gets to be more
> about politics than about the "powerful idea".
>
> Thanks for the reading tip
>
> Karl
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 3:41 AM, Alan Kay <alan.n...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Take a look at Landin's papers and especially ISWIM ("The next 700
> programming languages")
>
> You don't so much want to learn Lisp as to learn "the idea of Lisp"
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alan
>
> From: karl ramberg <karlramb...@gmail.com>
>
> To: Fundamentals of New Computing <fonc@vpri.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 12:00 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [fonc] Extending object oriented programming in Smalltalk
>
> Hi,
> Just reading a Lisp book my self.
> Lisp seems to be very pure at the bottom level.
> The nesting in parentheses are hard to read and comprehend / debug.
> Things get not so pretty when all sorts of DSL are made to make it more
> powerful.
> The REPL give it a kind of wing clipped aura; there is more to computing than
> text io
>
> Karl
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 8:00 PM, DeNigris Sean <s...@clipperadams.com> wrote:
> Alan,
>
> While we're on the subject, you finally got to me and I started learning
> LISP, but I'm finding an entire world, rather than a cohesive language or
> philosophy (Scheme - which itself has many variants, Common LISP, etc). What
> would you recommend to "get it" in the way that changes your thinking? What
> should I be reading, downloading, coding, etc.
>
> Thanks.
> Sean DeNigris
>> You wouldn't say that "Lisp 1.5 Programmer's Manual" is outdated would you?
>> :-)
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