Vikrant Chaudhary wrote: > On 30 March 2015 at 17:39, j. van den hoff <veedeeh...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> a marginal point, but in case you care: the german word for >> repository/deposit actually is "Lagerstätte" where the diacritical mark over >> the `a' really matters. but "Lagerstatte" sounds really awful (since the "a" >> is pronounced like the "u" in the English word `up', while the "ä" is >> similarly pronounced to English "a" in "action"). and it simply looks >> misspelled ;-). it also seems not to belong to the words having been >> assimilated into english after spelling changes (such as "iceberg") as far >> as I know. >> >> to make german users a bit more happy you might call it "lagerstaette" where >> the `ae' is a widely used "ASCII approximation" of the "ä" (in germany, >> anyway). also note, that "Lagerstatt" (the singular form of ""Lagerstätten" >> (with final "n")) is an exalted way of denoting a bed (and not a place were >> to store fossils (or beer ;-)). overall, I'm not sure whether the name >> choice was a lucky one... > > Regarding name: > What we have considered so far: > * Germans prefer to transliterate "ä" to "ae". > * Google tries to correct "lagerstaette" to "lagerstatte". > * Google includes results for "lagerstätte" when searching for > "lagerstatte" (but not with "lagerstaette"). > * https://ssl.icu-project.org/icu-bin/translit transliterates "ä" to > "a" (use Latin -> ASCII settings). > * This Rails method does the same - "ä" to "a"- > http://api.rubyonrails.org/classes/ActiveSupport/Inflector.html#method-i-transliterate > * German borrowed words in English usually do not use the "e" form. > Like Über to Uber, Flügelhorn to Flugelhorn, Lämmergeier to > Lammergeier, https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Frau from Fräulein, > Grossencharakter from Größencharakter. > * There are a few counter examples though - Fuehrer from Führer, > Muesli from Müsli, Loess from Löß, Foehn from Föhn. > * 29,400 Google search results for "lagerstatte" (with quotes) vs 8990 > for "lagerstaette" (with quotes). (for completeness, 3,89,000 results > for "lagerstätte" (with quotes)). > * Almost all search results for "lagerstaette" are in German, and in > English for "lagerstatte". > * Our conclusion: "lagerstaette" when transliterating in German, > "lagerstatte" when transliterating in English. > * I'm still not 100% sure. > > > Maybe I should roll with "Lagerstätte" as project's name, but we still > need the ASCII approximation to use in code.
I'm not a German speaker, and I don't know if you care, but I would vote with Joerg to use "ae" rather than just "a". (Simply ignoring the umlaut seem just wrong - regardless of Google.) FWIW, the two dots in "ä" and "ö" derive historically from a small "e" placed above the letters "a" and "o". Also, German proper names that contained an umlaut are regularly spelled with the "e" (at least in the mid-western US). -- Will _______________________________________________ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
