> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Marc Riddell wrote: >> When will you people finally acknowledge that there is something terribly >> wrong with the deteriorating level of discourse occurring in the Projects? >> And this trend is certainly not confined to Wikinews. Take a good, > objective >> look at some of the dialogue occurring on the English Wikipedia. The >> atmosphere is becoming angrier and more hostile by the day. >> >> And, Erik, when I broached this subject in a private email conversation > with >> you, you never even acknowledged receipt of that email. What would you have >> done if we were speaking to each other in person - stare at me in silence? >> That, alone, speaks volumes.
on 2/5/09 1:30 PM, Cary Bass at c...@wikimedia.org wrote: > First of all, Erik may or may not have received your email, and the > reasons he did or did not respond to you can be immense and varied. > You should not make assumptions based on a lack of communication by > anyone, staff or community member. This is an issue for Erik to respond to (or not); not for you to make excuses for him. > > Secondly, what gives you the impression that Foundation staff are able > to sweep in and make everyone behave; or furthermore, why should you > not assume that we've not already tried some way to encourage > conviviality and discourage attacks. Where? When? > I have personally found myself > in the predicament of trying to solve issues for people and getting my > head bitten off by the very people I was trying to help! This is not about solving specific issues for people; it is about teaching them how to civilly and constructively solve their own. Learn the difference. > At least one > of those individuals resorted to calling me denigrating names on > lists cc'd to numerous folks, including coworkers, Jimmy Wales, and my > boss; and his fellow complainants did nothing to object. > > The Foundation, as successful as the last fundraiser went, remains to > having limited resources. Oh, please, Cary, money has nothing to do with what I am talking about, and you should know it. > Our volunteering model is next to > impossible to define, given the enormity of our community. This is purely an excuse for your inaction. > > Discussions take place on IRC about the simple idea of removing admin > access to anyone who uses ugly or rude block messages. This idea is > met with huge opposition; by solid contributors. "Solid" (whatever that is) contributors are objecting to ruling out "ugly or rude messages"!?! Time for a new definition of solidity. > You're asking > people to stop acting like people. No, I am asking that people work and communicate civilly and constructively with one another so that important matters can be resolved. > > Perhaps we should follow the Wikinews discussion more closely...even > participate in it, rather than expanding it to include all of the > Foundation projects in one fell swoop. Given that the community is > much smaller there, a solution might take place that will result in > people being more proactive about reducing ugliness and being kinder > to one another and promoting an assumption of good faith. > > Maybe Wikinews can even come up with a model that can be adopted by > other projects. It is clear that the Wikinews Project HAS come up with a successful model. The question is: are the other Projects even listening? Marc Riddell _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l