Yes, I am not proposing that we have to have a new Moldovan-Romanian language Wiki (we don't have a United States-english Wiki, a Canadian-english Wiki, a Great Britain-english Wiki, an Australian-english Wiki, etc...). (oh, ouch, there's a contingent from New Zealand chasing me now!)
I am saying, "mo.wikipedia" in Cyrillic? Insults all sides, and is Wrong. -george On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hoi, > We will never have a Romanian or a Moldovan Wikipedia. What we have is a > Romanian language Wikipedia. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 6 October 2010 04:11, George Herbert <george.herb...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> NPOV is good as far as it goes, but the issues of wiki naming and >> language are necessarily one where positions need to be taken on some >> very touchy real-world issues. >> >> The naming of mo.wikipedia and its use of Cyrillic were particularly >> unfortunate, as the Moldovan standard alphabet is Roman, the >> Transnistrian is Cyrillic, the Moldovan TLD / name code is "MD" not >> "MO", and we have no Transnistrian wiki that I am aware of. >> >> Essentially - we landed in a configuration that simultaneously is as >> wrong as possible, on every account, offending nearly all people on >> both sides of the defacto border. This is highly inappropriate, even >> from a "We're NPOV and not here to make political statements" >> standpoint. >> >> The particular campaign of emails is ... at best unfortunate. But we >> really should do something about this eventually. >> >> Whether that's deleting mo.wikipedia, renaming it to tr.wikipedia (or >> deleting and creating a new one there), or what, I don't know. But >> we're Very Wrong right now. We can neutrally get to Somewhat Right. >> >> I understand (at a high level) the technical issues and staff priority >> issues, etc. But there's a difference between "low on the priority >> order" and "We shouldn't fix this". >> >> >> -george >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Gerard Meijssen >> <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Hoi, >> > Your approach is the wrong one. Our aim is to bring information to all >> > people of this world. When people leave for political reasons, they are >> > welcome to leave. Their point of view is clearly not the Neutral Point Of >> > View that is also expected of them in their contributions. >> > Thanks, >> > GerardM >> > >> > On 6 October 2010 03:50, Marcus Buck <m...@marcusbuck.org> wrote: >> > >> >> An'n 05.10.2010 22:24, hett M. Williamson schreven: >> >> > 2010/10/5 Gerard Meijssen<gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: >> >> >> Hoi, >> >> >> Technically it is easier to transliterate from Cyrillic. So when >> >> >> transliteration works in a round robin fashion, it does not really >> >> matter in >> >> >> what script people edit. It will only be stored in one script. The >> >> choice >> >> >> for a script can be based on a user setting or on the method access >> to >> >> the >> >> >> information was sought. >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> > Gerard, I am aware of all this, however in the proposals of Marcus >> >> > there is constant mention of a "read-only" Cyrillic portal rather than >> >> > a "round robin" transliteration program which enables editors to >> >> > create content in Cyrillic which is saved to the database in Latin. >> >> > >> >> > -m. >> >> I'm trying to promote a solution that _works_. If you want a solution >> >> where Cyrillic users can participate on par with Latin users you need >> >> the support of the Latin users. I'm sure you won't get that support. You >> >> can critizise ro.wp for being unwilling to give that support but that >> >> won't change anything about it. If you try to impose something on them >> >> that can break the ro.wp community. If just 2% of all active ro.wp >> >> Wikipedians leave the project in disagreement about the issue that's >> >> twice as worse as if the 1% Romanian speakers of Transnistria are unable >> >> to participate. >> >> >> >> Marcus Buck >> >> User:Slomox >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> foundation-l mailing list >> >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > foundation-l mailing list >> > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> -george william herbert >> george.herb...@gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- -george william herbert george.herb...@gmail.com _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l