I had the same interpretation as Ziko. Affiliate sites, in Alec's language, want to indicate they share Wikimedian ideals. Few such sites would want to become a Wikimedia-hosted project.
SJ On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Ziko van Dijk <zvand...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > If I understand Alec right he wants a model wherein a project like > WikiSomething can declare itself affiliated with Wikimedia: > "We need a name for self-identified project affiliation. External > projects needs to be able to claim, on their own initiative, that they > are "part of" something." > Of course, WikiSomething can say on its website "We like Wikimedia and > share its goals", but the wording must not give the impression that > there is an official link between both. > The problem is that we don't want that anybody can decorate himself > with the Wikimedia trademark and maybe abuse it. There must be an > official recognition anyway from Wikimedia Foundation. > > Kind regards > Ziko van Dijk > > > > > > 2011/7/13 Lodewijk <lodew...@effeietsanders.org>: >> I am not sure if this is about the same thing. I read Alec's questions as >> being about content projects that want to affiliate themselves with >> Wikimedia - want to become the new Wikimedia project. I know that in the >> past this question has lived for example with OmegaWiki/WiktionaryZ . SJ, >> would you consider this to be similar to Wikimedian groups who want to have >> a slightly more formal relationship with the Movement? >> >> Lodewijk >> >> 2011/7/13 Samuel Klein <meta...@gmail.com> >> >>> We're discussing setting up an "Affiliation committee" to oversee >>> simple, low-overhead wikimedia affiliates and associations. These >>> could be organizations 'under the umbrella' of free knowledge -- >>> requiring just basic review of their work and standards to confirm >>> they are in line with our basic principles. [1] >>> >>> Wikimedia Associations could be individual wikiprojects, clubs, or >>> meetups run by one or more people that want to establish a lasting >>> identity as part of the movement. >>> >>> Third-party wikis and larger groups could be Wikimedia Affiliates. >>> >>> Both could use web-badges and icons to identify them with the movement >>> (derived from the WM community logo?). >>> >>> SJ >>> >>> [1] >>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_roles_project/New_group_models >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Alec Conroy <alecmcon...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > Prompted by discussions in another thread, I ask a related question-- >>> > >>> > ;1-- A roadmap towards affiliation >>> > >>> > How should a currently-unaffiliated project go about becoming 'part >>> > of' Wikimedia? >>> > >>> > One easy step they could take would be to simply say, on their >>> > website, "This site considers itself to be part of the Wikimedia >>> > Movement". (alternate text welcome ) >>> > >>> > Later, a self-identified affiliate could be formally designated as >>> > "part of the Wikimedia Movement" by the global community or the >>> > foundation or both. >>> > >>> > Such recognition would have lots of benefits for the new projects that >>> > share our values-- other WM projects would know to visibly link to >>> > them whenever they have relevant content (as we currently do across >>> > WMF projects). We could permit access to the unified login, we could >>> > allow template-sharing or image-sharing. We could set up >>> > interwiki-linking, and other interoperability functions. >>> > >>> > Such recognition would have even bigger benefits for us. We could >>> > get an affiliation with an established, successful project that shares >>> > our values. The kinds of project that we would build ourselves if >>> > someone else hadn't already built it. Their userbases and readership >>> > would see get to Wikimedia as something larger than just WP, and it >>> > would help cement public understanding that Wikimedia is a Movement, >>> > very big, very diverse, and very special. >>> > >>> > ; 2-- We need a name for self-identified project affiliation. >>> > >>> > External projects needs to be able to claim, on their own initiative, >>> > that they are "part of" something. That something should be a >>> > something that is connected to us. >>> > >>> > But self-identified affiliation has no gatekeeper, so whatever it is >>> > new projects can be "part of", there could be lots that we don't >>> > approve of. >>> > >>> > I'm the founder of a project and I want signal my ideological >>> > affiliation to WM. I think my own project's values match the >>> > Wikimedia's values, in my opinion anyway. >>> > >>> > Recognizing that I may or may not be right-- what should I say I am a >>> > "part of"? >>> > >>> > We could just tell projects in this situation to say they are "Part of >>> > the Wikimedia Movement", but perhaps that name is one we want to >>> > reserve just for officially recognized projects. If so, what name >>> > should such projects use instead? >>> > >>> > Note that they need to be saying something different than just "I like >>> > Wikipedia, here's a link". They need to be _identifying_ their own >>> > efforts as _under the umbrella_ of what we do. They need to be >>> > "investing" in us and our mission, saying "This project is our attempt >>> > to help share the world's information". >>> > >>> > Right now, I think we can craft any statement, logo, or button we want >>> > and like-minded projects would use it if prompted. We just have to >>> > be thoughtful about what we want those things to look like. We will >>> > no longer have total control over whichever name or logos we recommend >>> > projects use for self-identified affiliation. >>> > >>> > So that's my question -- what should third-party wikis say they are >>> > "part of", if they want to express a connection to us? >>> > >>> > Alec >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > foundation-l mailing list >>> > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 >>> 4266 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> foundation-l mailing list >>> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > > > > -- > Ziko van Dijk > The Netherlands > http://zikoblog.wordpress.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > -- Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l