On 23 January 2012 00:43, Yao Ziyuan <yaoziy...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Svip <svi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 22 January 2012 23:31, Yao Ziyuan <yaoziy...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> The wiki way to talk may be favored by the Wikipedia community, but is >>> really weird to the general public. >> >> The name 'talk page' is also a terrible name and very ambiguous as to >> what it is. A far more appropriate candidate for such a page's name >> would be 'collaboration page', 'work page', 'improvement page' and so >> on. >> >> I understand why many people believe it to be a page to talk about the >> article at hand rather than how to improve it. >> >> A comment section under the article (or a trollpage like on Wikinews) >> seems unlikely to benefit anything. Most of the comments will be >> unimportant, useless or altogether pointless. And those few comments >> THAT DO provide some insight or interest in the subject could either >> be better used incorporated into the article *or* will get buried >> among the thousands of other comments. >> >> You think [[Cats]] isn't likely to get a lot of stupid cat comments? >> And while changes to articles are worthy of maintenance for most >> people to volunteer to do, I sincerely doubt you will find many who >> would manage a comment system on Wikipedia. And it *will* require >> management to be useful. > > What about a Slashdot-like comment section moderated by users themselves? :-)
Slashdot's comment moderation system is my favourite comment moderation system, but it is not perfect. And it works for Slashdot, because it is usually read by computer literate people. We cannot expect the same expertise from people who are likely to be commenting on [[Cat]]. Which unfortunately would mean that a comment system like Slashdot's would become too confusing to most people, even if they did not have to participate in the moderation aspect. Then one might suggest a Digg/Reddit type system where comments can simply be voted up or down (or perhaps just up), but that is fine for a news site, where comments disappear as a new news story flocks to the top. But on Wikipedia, [[Cat]] will always be there and it will continue to have the same level of importance as it did yesterday, today and tomorrow. Hence the comments there will be carved in brine stone. And if *one* comment is elected to the top, it will continue to get more votes and continue to be the comment most people will see so there will be less ACTUAL new comments. Bash.org is an example of how this works (or lack thereof), as the same popular quotations remain in the Top 100 as they were 5 years ago. Then we come back to a no user moderated system, and then we run into my former problem. Where it will either way be a Lord of the Flies system where no actual interesting conversation is generated (because people with interesting comments worry their comments might get buried anyway), because either there is no moderation or no one willing to do it. What's further at issue is that a comment section on Wikipedia may also degenerate people's trust in Wikipedia as a source, because suddenly it would appear as every other Internet website where you comment on articles, forum threads and whatnot. Wikipedia *ought* to steep above that. It needs to be different. It needs to be information only. No discussion. And that is - in my opinion at least - the beauty of Wikipedia. In a world of a chaos, one remains committed for order. But if we really *need* a system where we can comment on broad concepts such as [[Cat]] or [[Solar calendar]]s, we could create a 'Wikipedia comment site', that would seemingly seem connected to Wikipedia, but at the same time not. And what's appropriate, it would be less obvious to find, which may gander some headway among people interested in actual conversations with others on the subject. And I am certain some IT news site out there will cover its formation. And if we can handle it, there might even be a subtle link from every Wikipedia article to this off-site comment site. In fact, I'm surprised wikicomments.org is still available. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l