Hi Philippe, it sounds great. Awesome. But still, it doesn't make much sense to me, sorry.
Saying people can 'edit' is of course bound to cheer people up - but if you don't understand *what* you're editing, it is also bound to either become a mess, or either just become what you pick it to become. I can't suggest changes to team or actions if I am unable to grasp behind the very broadly stated goals. Right now it is clear who is in the team, but honestly I don't know you guys well enough to derive from that what you should be doing. Lodewijk No dia 10 de Fevereiro de 2012 08:54, Philippe Beaudette < phili...@wikimedia.org> escreveu: > > I think we'll be doing some combination of all three of those. But > here's the important part: you tell us. I built out the brainstorming > page: people are acting as though there's a determined course charted > for this team - if anything, it's the opposite. This is the > opportunity for the community to tell us how you'd like to be supported > by this team. From the ground floor, help us design it. Tell us what > will work best. Do we need more Maggies? Do we need someone to help > us track issues of free culture? Maybe we don't, because the community > has a process in place for that and we just don't know about it. > > Help us design the team, and its high level goals. We have what we > THINK some of those will be (they're on the page, but I've pasted them > here [1], also)... but we're open to the community's input - actually, > we're begging for it. > > Edit this team, and edit this plan. :-) > > pb > > > [1]- - > * Maintaining a proactive online content-protection strategy, defending > the written and media work of the community on the Projects through > litigation and other means with the involvement of the community; > * Ensuring increasing amounts and efficacy of global community > participation in WMF-generated initiatives (such as revisions to WMF > policies); > * Setting up international meet-ups that recognize and support the role > of administrators and functionaries, including brainstorming ways that > WMF can better help these critical roles within our movement (e.g., > Arbcoms, checkusers, OTRS, etc.); > * Providing international legislative and policy support to the > community, such as providing information about legislative issues of > interest like global censorship laws; and > * Creating and learning from a community-based advisory board, > including implementation of support ideas that serve the advocacy > interests of the community and Foundation. > > > On Thu Feb 9 23:42:23 2012, Lodewijk wrote: > > I must say that after reading all this and the detailed page with the > > beautiful graphic I am still confused what the department will actually > do. > > There are beautiful abstract goals which everybody would obviously agree > > with, and there are highly diverse skills involved from on one end Maggie > > and on the other extreme Geoff. All great. But I hope you can help me by > > summarizing in one or two sentences of "mortal" English what you will > *do* > > everyday. Will you be the ones executing decisions from Legal? Will you > be > > nutshelling community decisions and act like an ambassador to the > Wikimedia > > Foundation? Will you be working on guiding the community involvement > > processes Geoff handled so well with the Terms of Use? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Lodewijk > > > > No dia 10 de Fevereiro de 2012 07:46, Theo10011 <de10...@gmail.com > >escreveu: > > > >> On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Erik Moeller <e...@wikimedia.org> > wrote: > >> > >>> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Casey Brown <li...@caseybrown.org> > >> wrote: > >>>> "Advocacy" is a much more general term in this context than people > >>>> seem to be taking it as. It does not mean lobbying or fighting for > >>>> something controversial with outside organizations. As I understand > >>>> it, it's the opposite: advocating to the Wikimedia Foundation on > >>>> behalf of the community. > >>> > >>> Yeah, that's my understanding of the game plan here as well. I think > >>> the announcement could have been clearer in that regard, but that's > >>> pretty much what Philippe and Maggie have already been doing, and what > >>> they'll continue to do in a structure that's set up for growth. > >>> > >>> Sometimes we have a tendency to speak in management lingo when we > >>> should be choosing simple, crisp & clear terms. Honest feedback: Burn > >>> the chart on > >>> > >> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal_and_Community_Advocacy/LCA_Announcement > >>> and draft a super crisp mission statement to slap on the first page > >>> for this group. I know, I've been guilty of this as well -- no > >>> criticism of the team. When working in an organization this kind of > >>> communication style is often expected from you in day-to-day work, but > >>> it's not necessarily helpful when communicating with people who have > >>> very little time and interest to parse it. > >>> > >>> I think the brainstorming page is a great start and hope it'll be > >>> utilized and further advertised in coming days: > >>> > >>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Legal/Community_Advocacy > >>> > >>> Congratulations to Philippe and Maggie for their new roles. I think > >>> it's about time that we're creating this structure, and I think it'll > >>> generate lots of tangible value for the community. > >> > >> > >> Then my suggestion would be, rename the department. > >> > >> I completely agree, it is about time Philippe and Maggie get more > authority > >> and a dedicated department. I am happy for both of them. They actually > do > >> and have been doing the heavy lifting for years when it comes to the > >> community. I would actually be more in favor of calling their department > >> the community department. ;) > >> > >> Regards > >> Theo > >> _______________________________________________ > >> foundation-l mailing list > >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l