On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 8:08 PM, Andrea Veri <a...@gnome.org> wrote: > 2012/10/15 Emmanuele Bassi <eba...@gmail.com>: >> hi; >> >> On 15 October 2012 11:32, Andrea Veri <a...@gnome.org> wrote: >>> 2012/10/15 Emmanuele Bassi <eba...@gmail.com>: >>> >>>> have we had any indication that being on irc.gnome.org is in any way, >>>> shape, or form preventing people from contributing to GNOME - and that >>>> moving to freenode would open the floodgates to new contributors? >>> >>> Freenode has more than 80000 users and I'm pretty much sure a lot of >>> new contributors willing to join the GNOME Project are looking for >>> #gnome-* channels there and not on GIMPNET which is a network with >>> less than 2000 users connected per day, it's a matter of numbers. >> >> again, that's like saying that we ought to move to GitHub or Gitorious >> because "they have more users than git.gnome.org". it's an obviously >> true statement: freenode, like GitHub, hosts a ton of projects; the >> statement above, though, forgets that there are branding reasons >> associated with having infrastructure under the *.gnome.org domain, as >> well as historical ones. >> >> plus, I have yet to see the justification for the "if you move it, >> they will come" attitude. we're already exposed to more users than the >> 80 thousands on freenode: it's not the IRC network that makes them >> contribute to our project (we'd also be self-selecting against the >> subset of users that know or use IRC); users join irc.gnome.org >> *after* they start contributing to GNOME. > > We can't predict now the number of users that will join #gnome-* > channels after the hypothetical migration
Again, how do you expect to achieve this hypothetical migration ? You will post a memo and people will just happily follow the foundation's decree ? I think you've misunderstood how things work in the real world. Unless you actually pull the plug on GimpNET, which would probably make at least a few of us sad, you will get a situation where possibly some projects will follow you, most will remain where they've always been comfortable, and you will get a situation of segregation, where we used to be all united in GimpNET, now half of the projects will be chatting on Freenode. > but we can make some > previsions based on the number of users each network has. The > questions are: did the GIMPNET network grow that much during all these > years? and if not, why? how can we help newcomers to find us in a > better way? the last question is interesting, many IRC clients put > huge networks as their first choices on channel's list and that means > one thing: a completely new user that first joins IRC will probably > connect to Freenode and will probably try to find us there without > success) > > I don't agree with you with "users join irc.gnome.org *after* they > start contributing to GNOME", many people join IRC to find some help, > to increase their experience within GNOME and most of the times if > they find an helpful contributor they get their issue addressed and > they will probably be more prospicent to contribute to the project in > the future as a give-back. Right, many people join irc for help... they find our irc channels because we indicate them in our various project websites. Regards, -Tristan _______________________________________________ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list