We've had this problem in Frame 10 in docs that have tables with conditional text. The problem occurs when the all the text in the cell (including the end-of-flow symbol) is conditionalized. FrameMaker can't hide the end-of-flow symbol since that would technically leave an empty cell. In our case, users didn't understand the difference between conditionalizing all the text in a row and conditionalizing the row itself (preferred for our docs). But if you need to conditionalize text in a cell, don't conditionalize the end-of-flow symbol. After the crash, correcting the problem in FrameMaker doesn't remove the corruption. The document requires a MIF wash to clear it up. I hope this helps. Pat
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Zimmerman, Gary Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 3:21 PM To: rebecca officer; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Frame 12 conditional text bug The crashes I've mentioned happen in conditionalized documents - ours are structured, which may figure into this - and when you change the conditional settings to or from showing all conditions, FM crashes. This has been in FM7, 9, and 10, which is as far as we've gone. Often the mif wash will fix the problem, but sometimes not. The issue seems to be odd conditioning that FM can't handle in structured docs, as the kind of conditioning that, when you change the conditions you create an invalid structure that freaks FM out. Things like badly conditioned tables might do this, if you condition one cell structure element of the table accidentally. We've also noticed it when someone, for example, deletes all text of a particular condition, as by deleting the condition, but there are invisible "remnants" of the condition left in the file. Things like accidentally conditioned (or accidentally not removed) pilcrows. Sometimes if we carefully go through the file and find every instance of a condition with all the conditions and text symbols turned on visible, we find something in the file we had missed before, and when we remove it manually, the file is "fixed". Hope this can help you and others. -- garyZ From: rebecca officer [mailto:rebecca.offi...@alliedtelesis.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2014 4:34 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com>; Zimmerman, Gary Subject: RE: Frame 12 conditional text bug Hi Gary That's a good idea, thanks. We'll try it. Apart from anything else, it'll be really interesting to see if MIF files show the same bug. About those crashes you mentioned, are they on Frame 12? We're seeing a lot of crashes too, but we haven't figured out a pattern to them yet. We're not exactly fans of Frame 12 right now! Cheers Rebecca >>> "Zimmerman, Gary" 06/30/14 5:14 PM >>> Hi Rebecca, Have you tried working in .mif files instead of .fm files and only saving to .fm when you're done for the day? When we have some conditional text problems that crash FM, a mif wash of the files often helps, and sometimes fixes the problem. If yours is a bug, then the mif wash won't help, because as soon as you're back in .fm you'll hit the bug again. But maybe if you save the file as a mif, then work in the mif as much as you can, and only save as an .fm doc at the end, it would at least save you some time during development. -- garyZ From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of rebecca officer Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 9:58 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com> Subject: Frame 12 conditional text bug Hi everyone I've just posted this on Adobe's bug tracker as https://bugbase.adobe.com/index.cfm?event=selectBug&CFGRIDKEY=3783041 but wanted to see if anyone else is seeing it too. We have unstructured FM 12 files that use Expressions to choose what conditional text to display. We also use text insets, especially as TOCs in chapters. When we update the text insets, conditional text displays that should be hidden according to the Expression. This means our documents suddenly display extra text! Our text insets are set to update automatically when files open, so opening a file is often enough to trigger this bug. Fortunately, we found a workaround: The display becomes correct if we turn the Expression off and then on again. For example, if we set the Show/Hide Conditional Text dialog to Show All and click Apply, then set it to show as per the desired Expression and click Apply, it'll display correctly. Until the next time we do something radical like opening the file. The workaround is a lot better than nothing, but it means we have to keep changing the Show/Hide Conditional Text dialog, across books of thousands of pages. It's slowing us down enough to drive us batty. Cheers Rebecca NOTICE: This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it. 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