Rick Quatro wrote: > Hi Richard, > > I think you are misdiagnosing the problem. Try this:
Yeah, Rhea and Fred R. were also kind enough to point out (off-list) that I missed the point. Sigh. ;-) But I've played a little with some brand-new docs created from the (default) FM portrait template, and I don't think FM's behavior is a bug. The default TableTitle pgf is centered. The default Format A table is left-aligned, the default Format B is centered, and both have titles. If you want to play along, make sure View > Borders is on so that you can see the frame containing the table title. 1) In a brand-new portrait doc, click Insert > Table and select Format A. You get a left-aligned 5-col table, not as wide as the column, with a centered title. The title frame starts at the left margin and ends at the right edge of the table; IOW, it's the width of the table. 2) Now click Insert > Table and select Format B. You get a similar table, but it's centered in the column. The title frame this time spans the column (the pgf is still centered, so that isn't obvious if you have Borders turned off). Of course, the table and title are both centered in the column, so the title appears to be aligned with the table. But it can extend beyond the table (by equal amounts left and right). 3) In Table Designer, apply a 1" right indent to the Format B table, moving the center-point of the table left 1/2". Now, its title frame ends 1" in from the right margin, so it remains centered above the table, but still extends beyond it by equal amounts. 4) Still on the Format B table, apply a 1" left indent so that it has equal left and right indents and is again centered in the column. The title frame once again spans the entire column. 5) In Paragraph Designer, update all TableTitle pgfs to align left. Here's what happens: a) The Format A table's title frame changes from table-width to column width. b) The Format B table's title frame changes from column-width to ... well, on the left, it aligns with the left edge of the table; on the right, it extends to the right margin. This sort of makes sense, although it seems weird at first blush. A centered object's position in relation to what it's aligned with is variable (dependent on its width); any other alignment setting involves a fixed position in relation to the column/frame/page. The designers of FM had to decide what should align with what when centered and non-centered tables and titles interact, and they seem to have decided: A) If table is fixed in relation to column, and title is fixed -- align both to column. B) If table is fixed, and title is centered -- align title to table. C) If table is centered, and title is fixed -- align title to table on left, column on right. D) If table and title are both centered -- align both to column. There's a case to be made for doing A and C differently, but I don't think the actual behavior is ill-thought-out or buggy. In fact, any alternative is bound to make some people unhappy, too. The only change I'd make would be to always apply the table's left and right indents (if any) to the title frame. This would "fix" what I think is the dumb behavior at steps 3 & 4 above, where the title of a centered table responded to unequal left and right indents, but ignored equal ones. I suspect that was a design choice, however, not a bug. The other change that might make everyone happy, but would be much more difficult for the FM engineers: give us the ability to select the title frame and modify its size, position (relative to its "anchor" on the table), and other properties like other text frames. IMNSHO, FWIW, YMMV Richard ------ Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 ------ rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 ------