Hi David, Thanks for the effort you're putting into this. >> Press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter m, release both keys, and then press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter f (Ctrl+M Ctrl+F).
A little earlier, I got the following reply from somebody offlist: I would say "ctrl+f, ctrl+m" would be the best way to do that. You need to separate the steps is the issue. Hope that helps! And I replied as follows: -------------------- Great minds think alike! Lacking any other alternative, that's exactly what I wrote in my first draft! (And it was on that the SME wrote his take, and told me to change them all accordingly to Ctrl M+F.) The problem is, that ctrl+f, ctrl+m make it look as if after the ctrl+f you then have to first release the Ctrl key and only then do Ctrl+M. However, lacking any other alternative *standard* alternative, this seems the only solution. The only other alternative would be to create our own new standard. One or two people suggested to me Ctrl+(M,F) - and that also seems to me to be correct. -------------------- So coming back to your suggestion, David, it seems that are are all converging on the same solution, however, it's just that 'ctrl+f, ctrl+m' (with a space or a comma) gives the wrong impression that you have to take your finger off the Ctrl key after doing Ctrl+M and before doing Ctrl+F; you do not have to. I would want to define a new standard, like this: Ctrl+(M,F). Thanks, - avi On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 5:17 PM, David Spreadbury <dspreadb at yahoo.com>wrote: > Avraham, > > > > I looked a little further, and then remembered that FrameMaker has many > such shortcut sequences. So I went to the FrameMaker manuals and found this > example: > > > > *Character Sets, page 2, Using key sequences* > > Control+q Shift+a - Holding down Control while pressing the letter q, then > releasing both keys, and then holding down Shift while pressing the letter a > > > > So, to use your situation and MSTP terminology: > > > > Press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter m, release both keys, and > then press and hold Ctrl while pressing the letter f (Ctrl+M Ctrl+F). > > > > I, personally, don?t like the wording in the Adobe description but that is > how it is worded. > > > > *From:* Avraham Makeler [mailto:amakeler at gmail.com] > *Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2009 7:51 AM > *To:* David Spreadbury > *Cc:* framers at lists.frameusers.com > *Subject:* Re: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts > > > > >> Two questions: > > >> Will Ctrl+M, followed by Ctrl+F, give the proper results? > > Yes > > >> Will Ctrl+M+F give the proper results? > > No > > > > Thanks, > > > > avi > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 3:12 PM, David Spreadbury <dspreadb at yahoo.com> > wrote: > > Avraham, > > Two questions: > > Will Ctrl+M, followed by Ctrl+F, give the proper results? > > Will Ctrl+M+F give the proper results? > > If the second is true, I would document it by teling the user; "Press and > hold the Control key then press M followed by F (Ctrl+M+F)." > > The Microsoft Manual of Style, version 2, always has shortcuts with a plus > (+) following Ctrl, Alt, of Shift (Ctrl+?). > > It seems to depend on whether you need to release the Ctrl key between > sequences. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler > Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 3:57 AM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts > > Hi all, > > RE: The correct shorthand for writing keyboard shortcuts > > > I have a general question on writing keyboard shortcuts - but no > particularly connected to FM. So I was referred to this forum sicne there > is > the general impression that FM users are the champions of extremely long > and > complex keyboard shortcuts. > > So here is my question: It is a surprising problem to have: a simple enough > issue that I should have already come across years ago, but for some reason > I am bumping into it only now. I have asked a number of experienced > technical writers about this, but have had no convincing answer. > > I am documenting a GUI, that has a certain command called 'Merge Forms', > whose keyboard shortcut is, *as the SME writes it*: > > Ctrl M+F > > The SME means to say: press Ctrl+M and then with the Ctrl key still > pressed, > then press the F key. > > And this does in fact successfully invoke the required operation. (Not of > negligible importance: Ctrl+M followed by Ctrl+F will also work.) > > But is 'Ctrl M+F' the correct way to write this? > I think not. For a start, the custom seems to be to write a plus (+) immed. > after the 'Ctrl'. > But 'Ctrl+M+F' means something else: to press all three keys at once. > --------------- > > Ctrl+M, F is not correct, since it means: Press Ctrl+M, then release the > Ctrl key, and then press the F key > > --------------- > > And another surprise I had is that when I tried a few experiments typing > keyb sequences in the MS Word 'Customize Keyboard' dlg box, I found lots of > bugs. But since this is an FM forum and not a Word forum I wont detail the > issues here. > > Thanks all, > > - avi > > _______________________________________________ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as dspreadb at yahoo.com. > > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dspreadb%40yahoo.com > > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > >