Jenny, I DON'T disbelieve that you are seeing what you report. The question is what is causing something that isn't supposed to happen.
If you were able to e-mail an example document with this problem (the background problem, not the cross-reference problem) off-list (including the PNG background and EPS over it pages), I'd love to see what's going on. By the way, were you using the CMYK versus RGB settings? - Dov > -----Original Message----- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at > lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > Jenny Greenleaf > Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:59 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: PDF headaches > > Thanks, Dov, > > Let me clarify: > > I have an EPS file that has content without a background. It's an > irregularly shaped object (a monitor). When I place the EPS image on a > background (png), it appears as desired when I do Save As PDF. > > If I PDF the same file by printing to the PDF printer, the irregularly > shaped object is appears in a white rectangle, spoiling the effect. > > I was quite happy with Save As PDF, even though people say they have > trouble with it. If I could figure out why it suddenly started turning > my cross-references into gibberish, I would stick with it. > > I realize there should be no difference between the two methods. > However, I have run these PDFs over and over again on the same files. > I have used the same set of job options both with the Print to PDF and > the Save As PDF. I was systematic and recorded the results in a > notebook. I am not making this up! > > I understand that you don't find the word "transparent" to be precise. > I don't know what other word to use. > > Jenny > > > > > On Jul 7, 2009, at 2:09 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote: > > > Jenny, > > > > PostScript does NOT in any way support transparency. It is not part of > > the PostScript imaging model. EPS is PostScript. There is no > > "transparency" > > in EPS because there is no transparency in PostScript. > > > > Perhaps you are referring to content without a background? That is not > > transparency. Or perhaps you are referring to an image with a clipping > > path such that some arbitrary shape of an image is on top of a clear > > background? Again, that is not transparency. > > > > I am not trying to quibble here, but make sure that we are all using > > the > > same terminology. Conventional graphic arts terminology for > > "transparent" > > is to describe all non-opaque objects (which quite frankly, should > > really > > have been described as "translucent" - but I'm a dumb engineer, not an > > English major and those who came up with the term "transparent" to > > describe > > non-opaque objects were probably not English majors either!). > > > > In terms of clipping paths or clear backgrounds behind either text > > or vector > > objects, there should be no difference whatsoever between creating > > PDF via > > "save as" or via printing to the "Adobe PDF" PostScript printer > > driver instance > > since in both cases, the EPS content is sent through into the output > > PostScript > > stream unmodified. > > > > - Dov > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Jenny Greenleaf [mailto:jgreenleaf at mac.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 2:00 PM > >> To: Dov Isaacs > >> Subject: Re: PDF headaches > >> > >> FrameMaker 9.0 will handle a graphic in EPS that has a transparent > >> background. Really! > >> > >> Jenny > >> > >> > >> On Jul 7, 2009, at 1:57 PM, Dov Isaacs wrote: > >> > >>> What do YOU mean by transparency? If you are talking about support > >>> for non-opaque > >>> objects, then with FrameMaker you are plain out of luck. > >>> FrameMaker's imaging model, > >>> unlike that of InDesign, Illustrator, and Photoshop, does not > >>> support anything other > >>> than opaque objects. Or do you mean something totally different?!? > >>> > >>> - Dov > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at > >>>> lists.frameusers.com > >>>> ] On Behalf Of > >>>> Jenny Greenleaf > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 1:54 PM > >>>> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > >>>> Subject: PDF headaches > >>>> > >>>> FrameMaker 9.0 (all patches installed) > >>>> Running in a Windows XP VM on a recent MacBook Pro (4 GB) > >>>> Adobe Acrobat Pro Extended 9 > >>>> No additional external Frame tools or plugins > >>>> > >>>> I am having trouble PDF'ing my book and hope you can help. I am not > >>>> an > >>>> expert in either of these tools. > >>>> > >>>> When I print to the Adobe PDF printer, I do not get the > >>>> transparency I > >>>> need for the cover graphic. > >>>> When I use Save As PDF, I get the transparency, but the first > >>>> cross- > >>>> reference in the mini-TOC at the beginning of each chapter is > >>>> gibberish (random characters). > >>>> > >>>> I have tried both of these with Standard options and High-Quality > >>>> print options, as well as a set of options that embeds the > >>>> corporate > >>>> font. > >>>> > >>>> If I have to, I can PDF the cover separately, but I would rather > >>>> not. > >>>> > >>>> Any clues? Thanks in advance. > >>>> > >>>> Jenny > >>>> Greenleaf Agency, LLC > >>>> Portland, OR > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jgreenleaf at mac.com. > > > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > > or visit > > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jgreenleaf%40mac.com > > > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. 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