I do many things grumpily, or at least in a state nowhere approaching gruntlement.
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018, 8:49 PM Lin Sims <[email protected]> wrote: > Rick found the information in the MIF file. I was (naturally) looking for > the wrong text. > > The info wanted is here (and yes I substituted generic information): > > <PDFDocInfo > <Key 'Author'> > <Value 'Company Name'> > <Key 'Title'> > <Value 'Book Title'> > > # end of PDFDocInfo > > All I have to do is find that section in the MIF files and fix it, and none > of our new documents will have a title in them. The older ones, obviously, > were updated grumpily by me before generating the PDFs. :D > > > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 4:29 PM Carole McCormick < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Here is the process I have used in the past to remove title information > > from a FrameMaker document. > > Procedure to remove File Info from book files - this information is > > propagated in new files when the template is used and cannot be deleted. > > Process for removing: > > 1.Begin by making a backup of all of the files. > > 2.Open a file (I will use Preface as an example). Click File > File Info. > > Remove any "File Info" text. > > 3.Open a new blank document. > > 4.Import formats from Preface into blank document -- ALL except for > > Document Properties. > > 5.Import file (Preface) into blank document - File > Import > File, > select > > "Copy into document" at the bottom of the screen, click Import and in the > > dialog box that opens, select "Retain Source Formatting". > > 6.Close the original Preface file. > > 7.Save the "blank" document as Preface. > > 8.Select Format > Page Layout > Column Layout. In the Column Layout > > dialog box, select the checkbox for Room for Sideheads and then click > > Update Entire Flow. > > 9.Close the file and reopen - the File Info should be gone. > > > > I haven't used this in some time, but hope that it helps. > > > > ______________________________ > > Carole McCormick > > Technical Writer > > > > Sun Nuclear Corporation > > 3275 Suntree Blvd. > > Melbourne, FL 32940 > > Tel: +1 321-259-6862 x2282 > > Fax: +1 321-259-7979 > > www.sunnuclear.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Framers <framers-bounces+carolemccormick= > > [email protected]> On Behalf Of > > [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 4:03 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Framers Digest, Vol 151, Issue 10 > > > > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not > > click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know > > the content is safe. Questions? Contact the Help Desk. > > > > > > > > Send Framers mailing list submissions to [email protected] To > > subscribe or unsubscribe, visit > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com You can > > reach the person managing the list at [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > > "Re: Contents of Framers digest..." > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Structured XML 'title' element (cuc tu) > > 2. Re: ePub (Doug) > > 3. Equations (Doug) > > 4. File Info > Title information problem (Lin Sims) > > 5. Re: File Info > Title information problem (Jeff Coatsworth) > > 6. Re: File Info > Title information problem (John Sgammato) > > 7. Re: File Info > Title information problem (Lin Sims) > > 8. Re: File Info > Title information problem (Lin Sims) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 21:02:59 +0000 > > From: cuc tu <[email protected]> > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Structured XML 'title' element > > Message-ID: > > < > > > mwhpr1801mb18882df29bd6097754ab8e7efd...@mwhpr1801mb1888.namprd18.prod.outlook.com > > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hi Rick, > > > > > > I suspect a table is involved because of the error message, but all I > > notice in the XML and structure view is that the 'title' element tags are > > removed, and its text is then in the 'first_aid' element, which is not > > valid. In Frame, I can select this title text and then wrap it in the > > 'title' element, and that will validate. Frame will save the xml file > with > > the 'title' element intact, but when the xml is then reopened, the title > > element is removed again. > > > > > > Related to your question, actual 'table' elements are converted to > 'Table' > > elements and then 'Row' elements are inserted. Those elements are > undefined > > and appear elsewhere. The above just seemed to be an easier issue to get > > through as there are still several... > > > > > > I'm fairly certain I have valid xml for the dtd, I just have problems > with > > my structured application and am not sure where to look. I built the edd > > from a supplied dtd and imported the elements into a template file, but I > > do not map any formatting in the edd (it was simply built from the dtd). > > Then the rw rules are just from Adobe's structured app reference manual. > > > > > > I think there is something making Frame expect the 'title' element in a > > table and there is a connection to Frame's Table Title, but I don't see > > where that is defined. I suspect something is missing from my rw-rules > > file, which looks as such: > > > > > > > > fm version is "12.0"; > > /* > > * Include all ISO entity mapping rules. > > */ > > #include "isoall.rw" > > > > > > element "xref" { > > is fm cross reference element "Xref"; > > attribute "formatprop" is fm property cross-reference format; } > > > > > > element "table" { > > is fm table element "Table"; > > attribute "frame" > > { > > is fm property table border ruling; > > value "top" is fm property value top; > > value "bottom" is fm property value bottom; value "topbot" is fm property > > value top and bottom; value "all" is fm property value all; value "sides" > > is fm property value sides; value "none" is fm property value none; } > > attribute "colsep" is fm property column ruling; attribute "rowsep" is fm > > property row ruling; attribute "numcols" is fm property columns; > attribute > > "colwidths" is fm property column widths; } > > > > > > element "tablehead" { > > is fm table heading element "TableHead"; } element "tablebody" { is fm > > table body element "TableBody"; } element "row" { is fm table row element > > "Row"; } element "cell" { is fm table cell element "Cell"; } > > > > element "graphic" { > > is fm graphic element "Graphic"; > > writer anchored frame { > > notation is "CGM"; > > export to file "$(docname).cgm"; > > } > > } > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > C2 > > > > --------------------- > > > > > > > > Hi C2, > > > > Is the <first_aid> element being converted to a FrameMaker table? > > > > Rick > > > > Rick Quatro > > Carmen Publishing Inc. > > [email protected] > > 585-729-6746 NEW! > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2018 18:15:59 -0400 > > From: Doug <[email protected]> > > To: Framers <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] ePub > > Message-ID: > > <CANLqyK1-VyUDEDUWDKX9Y_2-tdHpgLO1W=rAfVOOXg6Dkr= > > [email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > Thanks everyone. I clicked the Edit option on the Publish window and > > figured out how to add borders to my images...it works perfectly in ePub > > mode. I'll have to remove the borders from my FM documents and just use > > those instead. Probably will end up using conditional text to use my > > original image borders to show up in our PDFs. > > > > Can anyone suggest how to change the color of hotlinks? My cross-refs > > display in the normal blue when they're published, but I'm told to make > > them a different shade. > > > > Thanks, > > > > On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 2:38 PM Scott Prentice <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Doug... > > > > > > I assume you're using the EPUB export in FM? The FM version will > > > affect the output significantly, newer versions much better than > > > older. As Rick points out, the formatting is controlled by CSS. There > > > are many reasons that formatting in your source may now end up as > > > expected in the EPUB. I haven't looked at the EPUB output from FM 2019 > > > yet, but I think it's the same as it was in FM 2017 (I hear that RH > > > 2019 has a new engine though .. need to test that). > > > > > > One of the big problems with EPUB output from FM (and most tools), is > > > that the underlying HTML/CSS is not terribly clean. There's likely a > > > lot of hard-coded styling (@style attributes on HTML elements) .. when > > > it should be purely @class attribute driven so it's easier to control. > > > You'll also see differences in the rendering of pages depending on the > > > EPUB reader you're using. > > > > > > You can look at the HTML/CSS markup by extracting the files from > > > within the EPUB. Just change the file extension to ".zip" and use your > > > favorite archive tool. In theory you can make edits and zip it back > > > up, but this may create an invalid EPUB (the order of files in the > > > archive is important, and most archive tools don't let you define that > > > order). If you're serious about EPUB, you should get a copy of Oxygen > > XML Editor. > > > It lets you open EPUBs, make edits and save back to the EPUB > (properly). > > > And since it's an XML editor (and EPUBs are mostly XML), it's a really > > > nice tool for making global edits to the files. > > > > > > EPUB can be really cool .. but the tools and readers are lacking in > > > proper support. Keep it simple and you'll have better results. Also > > > tell your end users which readers you "support" so they don't try > > > using some reader that will make the EPUB looks really bad. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > ...scott > > > > > > > > > On 10/15/18 8:22 AM, Doug wrote: > > > > I've been experimenting with publishing to the ePub format. it > > > > looks > > > nice, > > > > but the images in my document lose their borders during the process. > > > I've > > > > managed to make a single image retain its border, but none of the > > others. > > > > Even if I set up another image the same way, the border vanishes > > > > when I publish to ePub. > > > > > > > > Ideas? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Doug > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > > > Send messages to [email protected] Visit the list's > > > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > > Send administrative questions to [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to [email protected] Visit the list's > > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to [email protected] > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 07:51:54 -0400 > > From: Doug <[email protected]> > > To: Framers <[email protected]> > > Subject: [Framers] Equations > > Message-ID: > > <CANLqyK3H+PLa7YTxLZX0=TEOHB3Dy6q_= > > [email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > When I use the Insert > Equations functionality, the result is great for > > PDFs and print. But when I File > Publish > HTML5, the equations are > > treated as images. This is bad because the Publishing process puts > borders > > around them like it does around all of the images. > > > > The only way I can think of to fix this is to not set the Publish process > > to not automatically add borders to any images. This means I will have > to > > manually edit the CSS to add the 4 border statements for each of the > > images. But at least this way the equations won't have borders, even > > though they'll still be treated as images. > > > > Am I missing a better solution? > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 15:44:35 -0400 > > From: Lin Sims <[email protected]> > > To: Frame Users <[email protected]> > > Subject: [Framers] File Info > Title information problem > > Message-ID: > > <CA+MomCjZXdo43JdTrsgCqpzw7AmFE8SNJNND__W2=Px= > > [email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > Currently: Windows 7, FrameMaker 2017 > > > > Why can't I delete the information in the Title field for the File Info? > I > > have templates I created and I can't get rid of an old document title > from > > this field in the template files. Yes, I update this field when I create > a > > new document, but it's a bloody nuisance that it has bad information in > it > > and I can't get rid of it. > > > > I even exported everything to MIF, but I can't find that information in > > the MIF files. > > > > -- > > Lin Sims > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 5 > > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 19:49:39 +0000 > > From: Jeff Coatsworth <[email protected]> > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] File Info > Title information problem > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > IIRC once you stick something in that File Info screen, you're stuck with > > it forever. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Framers <framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth= > > [email protected]> On Behalf Of Lin Sims > > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 3:45 PM > > To: Frame Users <[email protected]> > > Subject: [Framers] File Info > Title information problem > > > > Currently: Windows 7, FrameMaker 2017 > > > > Why can't I delete the information in the Title field for the File Info? > I > > have templates I created and I can't get rid of an old document title > from > > this field in the template files. Yes, I update this field when I create > a > > new document, but it's a bloody nuisance that it has bad information in > it > > and I can't get rid of it. > > > > I even exported everything to MIF, but I can't find that information in > > the MIF files. > > > > -- > > Lin Sims > > _______________________________________________ > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to [email protected] Visit the list's homepage > > at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to [email protected] > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 6 > > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 15:52:58 -0400 > > From: John Sgammato <[email protected]> > > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." > > <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] File Info > Title information problem > > Message-ID: > > <CAKwJh12M2LKP= > > [email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > We update that information all the time. It gets consumed by an > > auto-publication script and used to publish the final PDF to the right > > location. > > We're using FM 2015, unstructured. > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 3:49 PM Jeff Coatsworth < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > IIRC once you stick something in that File Info screen, you're stuck > > > with it forever. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Framers <framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth= > > > [email protected]> On Behalf Of Lin Sims > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 3:45 PM > > > To: Frame Users <[email protected]> > > > Subject: [Framers] File Info > Title information problem > > > > > > Currently: Windows 7, FrameMaker 2017 > > > > > > Why can't I delete the information in the Title field for the File > > > Info? I have templates I created and I can't get rid of an old > > > document title from this field in the template files. Yes, I update > > > this field when I create a new document, but it's a bloody nuisance > > > that it has bad information in it and I can't get rid of it. > > > > > > I even exported everything to MIF, but I can't find that information > > > in the MIF files. > > > > > > -- > > > Lin Sims > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to [email protected] Visit the list's > > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to [email protected] > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to [email protected] Visit the list's > > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to [email protected] > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > [image: logo] > > *John Sgammato* *Documentation Architect* m 508.927.2083 | > > [email protected] | actifio.com < > > http://www.linkedin.com/company-beta/399246/> < > http://twitter.com/actifio> > > <http://www.youtube.com/c/Actifio_Official> > > < > > > http://www.glassdoor.com/Overview/Working-at-Actifio-EI_IE625803.11,18.htm > > > > > *Access your enterprise data as a service, instantly anywhere.* > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 15:55:27 -0400 > > From: Lin Sims <[email protected]> > > To: Frame Users <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] File Info > Title information problem > > Message-ID: > > <CA+MomCipfch5NeeigHKvRZf0Y+_sexDO3zNmj4mnr= > > [email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > Well. That's STUPID. > > > > Also frustrating. Whose bright idea was that? > > > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 3:49 PM Jeff Coatsworth < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > IIRC once you stick something in that File Info screen, you're stuck > > > with it forever. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Framers <framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth= > > > [email protected]> On Behalf Of Lin Sims > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 3:45 PM > > > To: Frame Users <[email protected]> > > > Subject: [Framers] File Info > Title information problem > > > > > > Currently: Windows 7, FrameMaker 2017 > > > > > > Why can't I delete the information in the Title field for the File > > > Info? I have templates I created and I can't get rid of an old > > > document title from this field in the template files. Yes, I update > > > this field when I create a new document, but it's a bloody nuisance > > > that it has bad information in it and I can't get rid of it. > > > > > > I even exported everything to MIF, but I can't find that information > > > in the MIF files. > > > > > > -- > > > Lin Sims > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to [email protected] Visit the list's > > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to [email protected] > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to [email protected] Visit the list's > > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to [email protected] > > > > > > > > > -- > > Lin Sims > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 15:57:24 -0400 > > From: Lin Sims <[email protected]> > > To: Frame Users <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Framers] File Info > Title information problem > > Message-ID: > > < > > ca+momchhsbvjf_dyux-eyjfswcfdosqcrw0nhwtmjs7wi56...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > That'd be nice. But we do it all manually: choose the file name, choose > > the location, all the rest. I just don't understand why someone thought > > carrying an old title over to everything ever created once you used that > > field for the first time was a good idea. > > > > It's been a bit of a week. Already. Oy. > > > > Thanks for the information, all, even if it's not what I hoped for. > > > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 3:53 PM John Sgammato <[email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > > > We update that information all the time. It gets consumed by an > > > auto-publication script and used to publish the final PDF to the right > > > location. > > > We're using FM 2015, unstructured. > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 3:49 PM Jeff Coatsworth < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > IIRC once you stick something in that File Info screen, you're stuck > > > > with it forever. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Framers <framers-bounces+jeff.coatsworth= > > > > [email protected]> On Behalf Of Lin Sims > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 3:45 PM > > > > To: Frame Users <[email protected]> > > > > Subject: [Framers] File Info > Title information problem > > > > > > > > Currently: Windows 7, FrameMaker 2017 > > > > > > > > Why can't I delete the information in the Title field for the File > > Info? > > > I > > > > have templates I created and I can't get rid of an old document > > > > title > > > from > > > > this field in the template files. Yes, I update this field when I > > > > create > > > a > > > > new document, but it's a bloody nuisance that it has bad information > > > > in > > > it > > > > and I can't get rid of it. > > > > > > > > I even exported everything to MIF, but I can't find that information > > > > in the MIF files. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Lin Sims > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > > > Send messages to [email protected] Visit the list's > > > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > > Send administrative questions to [email protected] > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > > > Send messages to [email protected] Visit the list's > > > > homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > > Send administrative questions to [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > [image: logo] > > > *John Sgammato* *Documentation Architect* > > > m 508.927.2083 | [email protected] | actifio.com > > > <http://www.linkedin.com/company-beta/399246/> < > > http://twitter.com/actifio > > > > > > > <http://www.youtube.com/c/Actifio_Official> > > > < > > > > > > http://www.glassdoor.com/Overview/Working-at-Actifio-EI_IE625803.11,18.htm > > > > > > > *Access your enterprise data as a service, instantly anywhere.* > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > > > > > Send messages to [email protected] > > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > > Archives located at > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > > Send administrative questions to [email protected] > > > > > > > > > -- > > Lin Sims > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > This daily digest is from the Framers mailing list > > > > Send messages to [email protected] > > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > > Archives located at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > > Send administrative questions to [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > End of Framers Digest, Vol 151, Issue 10 > > **************************************** > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Carole McCormick > > Technical Writer > > > > Sun Nuclear Corporation > > 3275 Suntree Blvd. > > Melbourne, FL 32940 > > Tel: +1 321-259-6862 x2282 > > Fax: +1 321-259-7979 > > www.sunnuclear.com<http://www.sunnuclear.com/> > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The information contained in this email > (including > > any attachments) is legally privileged and confidential information > > intended for the sole use of the individual(s) or entity named in the > > message header. 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