Amen!!! TVB
Tammy Van Boening Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com www.spectrumwritingllc.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Framers <framers- > bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc....@lists.frameusers.com> On > Behalf Of Craig, Alison GLI/CA > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 11:15 AM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > <framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe > users "feel" the way we do about Adobe > > IMO, Adobe treats us as open wallets from which to extract more and more > money - but they deal only reluctantly with our support issues (you have to > be *very* persistent) and (almost) never fix the actual problem. (How many > of you have searched the web for an "Adobe solution" and come across a > bunch of forums with reams of the same complaint as yours, and the > complaints date back 5, 7, 12 or more years?) > > I've also had the "unhelpful and/or hours-on-hold support" issue with other > products (Creative Suite, anyone?) and don't get me started on the dog poo > they call "Adobe Digital Editions", which they refuse to fix and also refuse > to > support. Yes, I know ADE is free, but do it right or don't do it at all. > > Alison > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Framers <framers- > bounces+acraig=greenlightinnovation....@lists.frameusers.com> On > Behalf Of Caroline Tabach > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 11:47 PM > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > <framers@lists.frameusers.com> > Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe > users "feel" the way we do about Adobe > > Well, I had Frame 7 for ages and ages, and used to see all the stories on > forums, so never moved till we got Windows 10 and then went straight to > frame 2015, so did not encounter these issues. > > Now I am in a place which is not using Frame > > Caroline Tabach > > On Wed, 13 Oct 2021, 23:17 , <tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> wrote: > > > Yea, pretty much. . . I figured after the installation fiascos that > > started with the first attempt at the Technical Communication Suite > > (TCS, > > 2009 - remember that!), Adobe had to catch on fast about this issue, > > but apparently that has not been the case. . . it was horrible then > > and has stayed just as horrible now. . . at the time, I remember that > > I referred to TCS as "Totally Cr*ppy Software.) > > > > I was an early adopter, and learned fast NOT to be in the case of Adobe. . > > . that hosed my system so badly that I had to basically take it down > > to bare metal and set everything up from scratch again and I was not > > the only one who suffered such a fate. . . > > > > Tammy Van Boening > > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com__;!!Oq50 > > -tQ!4YeNP0FWmIjoppPuC6df0zc9rQPfVoaiTMJ-jXcUS- > UBlYEMRSBcfhP1w2ORHqEap0 > > GTOUFa$ > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Framers <framers- > > > bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc....@lists.frameusers.com> On > > > Behalf Of Peter Gold > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 1:34 PM > > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software. > > > <framers@lists.frameusers.com> > > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe > > > users "feel" the way we do about Adobe > > > > > > Egad, Tammy! Are you saying, "At least it hasn't gotten worse?" :) > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 2:23 PM <tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I just remember a conversation that I had with Dov many years ago > > > > when I was still attending conferences and even back then, I was > > > > lamenting about all that Adobe could do so wrong when it came to > > > > installing/reinstalling/uninstalling and Dov's comment to me was > > > > that a gentleman at the sister conference had commented to Dov > > > > "When in the H*LL is Adobe going to stop screwing up my systems!!!" > > > > > > > > Even after 20+ years of this, nothing has apparently changed and > > > > that is sad. > > > > > > > > TVB > > > > > > > > > > > > Tammy Van Boening > > > > Tammy dot vanboening at spectrumwritingllc dot com > > > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.spectrumwritingllc.com__;!! > > > > Oq50-tQ!4YeNP0FWmIjoppPuC6df0zc9rQPfVoaiTMJ-jXcUS- > UBlYEMRSBcfhP1w2 > > > > ORHqEap0GTOUFa$ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Framers <framers- > > > > > bounces+tammyvb=spectrumwritingllc....@lists.frameusers.com> > On > > > > > Behalf Of A Craig > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 12:06 PM > > > > > To: An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software. > > > > > <framers@lists.frameusers.com> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us > > > > > Adobe users "feel" the way we do about Adobe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wholeheartedly agree — except, sadly, I'm not semi-retired. > > > > > > > > > > Alison > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com > > > > > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker, software." > > > > > <framers@lists.frameusers.com> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, 12 October, 2021 15:55:26 > > > > > Subject: [Framers] Stefan wanted to know why so many of us Adobe > > > > > users "feel" the way we do about Adobe > > > > > > > > > > Because every single solitary time that I have to > > > > > uninstall/reinstall an > > > > Adobe > > > > > app., I hold my breath to see what kind of friggin' rabbit hole > > > > > Adobe > > > > takes me > > > > > down and yep, it pulled a doozy on me this week, and thanks to > > > > > Adobe, I > > > > lost > > > > > a good 2 hours' worth of work to get my system back up to 'snuff. > > > > > > > > > > I can give details if interested, but I just wanted to chime in > > > > > to the > > > > thread > > > > > from a few weeks ago, where someone stated that they feel that > > > > > Adobe hates their customers. . . well, yea, I understand that > > > > > feeling. I LOVE > > > > Adobe > > > > > products. . . 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