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On Fri, May 15, 2026 at 12:51 PM Nisha Platzer <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello all! > > For anyone in or near London, please join us for a screening of my feature > creative doc, *back home <https://vimeo.com/752788800>* at Close-Up > Cinema on Tuesday May 19 > I'll be there for Q&A afterwards > > Here's the info: > *'back home' * > directed by Nisha Platzer > > 🌟Tuesday May 19 at 8:15pm > > 📍Close-Up Film Centre > > 97 Sclater Street > > London E1 6HR > > post-screening Q&A > > synopsis: > > back home follows the filmmaker’s pursuit to get to know her older > brother, Josh, twenty years after he took his own life. 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Handmade Film Institute 2026 Events (Robert Schaller) >> 2. Trying to figure out a film (Adam Hyman) >> 3. Re: Trying to figure out a film (Eli Horwatt) >> 4. Re: Worm--Rotterdam (Eric Theise) >> 5. Re: Worm--Rotterdam (Eric Theise) >> 6. Re: Trying to figure out a film (Daniel Wilson) >> 7. Re: Trying to figure out a film (Adam Hyman) >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Robert Schaller <[email protected]> >> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Thu, 14 May 2026 15:35:43 -0600 >> Subject: [Frameworks] Handmade Film Institute 2026 Events >> >> Reminder! The Handmade Film Institute <https://www.handmadefilm.org/> still >> has spots available for our retreat offerings for this summer, 2026! >> >> Pacific Northwest Film Camp <https://www.handmadefilm.org/classes/sucia> May >> 27th – June 1st, 2026. A multi-day exploration of handmade filmmaking, >> happening now once again on Orcas Island in Washington State’s beautiful >> San Juan Islands. We still have several indoor rooms available -- they are >> for no extra charge this, available until they're gone! >> >> The Wilderness Film Expedition >> <https://www.handmadefilm.org/wildernessFilmmaking> June 6th – 16th, >> 2026. A backcountry expedition where we shoot, process, edit and premiere >> in the wilderness, carrying all our gear with us into a high and wild >> mountain landscape. >> >> Rocky Mountain Handmade Filmmaking Camp >> <https://www.handmadefilm.org/RockyMountainHandMadeFilmCamp> June 21st – >> 28th, 2026 The Handmade Film Institute’s original week-long intensive in >> the Colorado mountains explores the chemical nature and aesthetic >> possibilities of film as a hands-on physical medium. >> -- >> Frameworks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Adam Hyman <[email protected]> >> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Thu, 14 May 2026 22:48:22 -0700 >> Subject: [Frameworks] Trying to figure out a film >> >> Hi all, >> >> I am trying to figure out I saw at some undetermined time in the past >> (but probably between five and ten years ago, maybe a bit more) and I have >> no info on it except my recollection. Can’t find my notes. >> >> >> >> Animated, photographing down at a blank book, in which drawings start, >> pages turn, and the animation becomes more and more involved. The >> notebook(s) had pages on the left & right, bound in the middle (like a >> normal blank book, lying flat), not one bound on one side (like a flip >> book). At times parts of it are erased and scrapings are pushed off. (It >> is not a regular flip book.) I’m sure there are multiple films like this, >> and I’m happy to learn of more, but this one was exceptional in my memory, >> and not by someone whose name I remember. It’s not short, so perhaps >> multiple notebooks are used in the film. >> >> >> >> Sorry for the vagueness. Thank you for any help or suggestions. >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> >> Adam Hyman >> >> Executive Director >> >> Los Angeles Filmforum >> >> www.lafilmforum.org >> >> [email protected] >> >> 323-377-7238 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Eli Horwatt <[email protected]> >> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Fri, 15 May 2026 02:22:18 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Trying to figure out a film >> Hi Adam, >> >> This animated/erasure sounds a lot like William Kentridge. I can't >> locate my file excerpts of his films (they're hard to come by), but did it >> involve charcoal, erasure, and then redrawing? >> >> There's a long essay on this work by Rosalind Krauss in October that's >> quite good (if this is the film you're thinking of). >> >> I do always love this game. >> >> Best, >> Eli >> >> On Fri, May 15, 2026 at 1:50 AM Adam Hyman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I am trying to figure out I saw at some undetermined time in the past >>> (but probably between five and ten years ago, maybe a bit more) and I have >>> no info on it except my recollection. Can’t find my notes. >>> >>> >>> >>> Animated, photographing down at a blank book, in which drawings start, >>> pages turn, and the animation becomes more and more involved. The >>> notebook(s) had pages on the left & right, bound in the middle (like a >>> normal blank book, lying flat), not one bound on one side (like a flip >>> book). At times parts of it are erased and scrapings are pushed off. (It >>> is not a regular flip book.) I’m sure there are multiple films like this, >>> and I’m happy to learn of more, but this one was exceptional in my memory, >>> and not by someone whose name I remember. It’s not short, so perhaps >>> multiple notebooks are used in the film. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sorry for the vagueness. Thank you for any help or suggestions. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> >>> Adam Hyman >>> >>> Executive Director >>> >>> Los Angeles Filmforum >>> >>> www.lafilmforum.org >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> 323-377-7238 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Frameworks mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> >>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Eric Theise <[email protected]> >> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Fri, 15 May 2026 00:49:50 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Worm--Rotterdam >> Hi Domenic, >> >> I wrote to Worm in the autumn of 2024 about performing there after a >> residency in Amsterdam. That didn't fit their programming at the >> time–understandable–but I wanted to visit Rotterdam anyway, so at the end >> of October 2024 I made an appointment with Worm staff, got a tour, and got >> a handshake agreement to do a two week residency there in Nov 2025. >> Submitted a proposal that was tied tightly to their unique facilities and >> was told "be in touch in may/June to set the dates". When I did … nothing. >> >> Ghosted. >> >> Getting ghosted is rarely a good thing. When you decline/avoid other >> opportunities in a three month window because you expect to be on another >> continent, frankly, it's brutal. Can you, at this stage of your >> life/career, absorb a three month setback? >> >> Worm's been around a long time, is housed in a large facility, has a >> cafe/bar, a theater/cinema cobbled together from scrapped airplane panels, >> two dance spaces, offices on a mezzanine, is centrally located … but in my >> experience they're not to be trusted. >> >> Eric >> >> >> On Mon, May 11, 2026 at 1:07 PM Dominic Angerame < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Does anyone have any information about Worm in Rotterdam. >>> >>> I am also searching for European showcases where I can present my work >>> in the Fall of 2026. If anyone has any suggestions, please contact me or >>> off list. Thanks >>> >>> Dominic Angerame ([email protected]) >>> -- >>> Frameworks mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> >>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Eric Theise <[email protected]> >> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Fri, 15 May 2026 00:52:03 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Worm--Rotterdam >> Ugh, sorry to misspell your name, Dominic. I know better, the topic just >> kind of set me off. >> >> >> On Fri, May 15, 2026 at 12:49 AM Eric Theise <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Domenic, >>> >>> I wrote to Worm in the autumn of 2024 about performing there after a >>> residency in Amsterdam. That didn't fit their programming at the >>> time–understandable–but I wanted to visit Rotterdam anyway, so at the end >>> of October 2024 I made an appointment with Worm staff, got a tour, and got >>> a handshake agreement to do a two week residency there in Nov 2025. >>> Submitted a proposal that was tied tightly to their unique facilities and >>> was told "be in touch in may/June to set the dates". When I did … nothing. >>> >>> Ghosted. >>> >>> Getting ghosted is rarely a good thing. When you decline/avoid other >>> opportunities in a three month window because you expect to be on another >>> continent, frankly, it's brutal. Can you, at this stage of your >>> life/career, absorb a three month setback? >>> >>> Worm's been around a long time, is housed in a large facility, has a >>> cafe/bar, a theater/cinema cobbled together from scrapped airplane panels, >>> two dance spaces, offices on a mezzanine, is centrally located … but in my >>> experience they're not to be trusted. >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 11, 2026 at 1:07 PM Dominic Angerame < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Does anyone have any information about Worm in Rotterdam. >>>> >>>> I am also searching for European showcases where I can present my work >>>> in the Fall of 2026. If anyone has any suggestions, please contact me or >>>> off list. Thanks >>>> >>>> Dominic Angerame ([email protected]) >>>> -- >>>> Frameworks mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>>> >>> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Daniel Wilson <[email protected]> >> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Fri, 15 May 2026 05:29:30 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Trying to figure out a film >> Adam, >> I've seen this film too, but I can't remember its title. My curiosity got >> the better of me, so I did a quick search using your description. The AI >> overlords came back with the text below. I ~think~ the one I saw was "The >> Pencil Burster/The Notebook". >> Hope these help! >> Dan >> >> The masterpiece you are remembering is likely *The Mind's Eye: A Lasko >> Notebook Animation* or *La Joie de Vivre* type of meta-animation. >> However, the exact matches based on your highly specific visual cues—a >> flat-lying standard notebook bound in the middle, top-down framing, literal >> eraser scrapings being brushed away, and a longer, escalating >> narrative—point to one of two legendary independent animated shorts: >> 1. *The Pencil Burster* / *The Notebook* by PES (or similar avant-garde >> independent animators) >> >> - The Format: The camera is locked directly overhead (down-shot), >> framing a clean, open notebook lying completely flat. >> - The Progression: It begins with simple graphite lines sketching >> basic geometric shapes or stick figures. As the pages turn left-to-right, >> the complexity morphs into highly intricate architectural or anatomical >> structures. >> - The Eraser Crumbs: This is the most distinct identifier. The >> animator intentionally retains the meta-elements of real physical >> drawing. Characters are violently rubbed out with a pink or white >> rubber eraser, leaving behind textured rubber shavings/scrapings that >> a hand physically sweeps off the page before the next sequence starts. >> [1 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8TTg1aPCLo&t=16>, 2 >> <https://storywarren.com/picture-books-that-flip-the-script/>] >> >> 2. *Notes on Biology* (by Ornana Films) >> >> - The Format: Captures an escalating, epic battle/animation sequence >> inside a student’s standard, center-bound notebook during a class lecture. >> - The Progression: It starts as a simple doodle of an animal (an >> elephant) and expands into an incredibly detailed, multi-page, >> action-packed cinematic sequence utilizing multiple layers of the >> notebook. >> - The Duration: It runs much longer than a standard 30-second >> internet flipbook, transforming the entire notebook into an expansive >> ecosystem. >> >> ------------------------------ >> Other Iconic "Flat-Book" & Eraser Masterpieces To Explore >> If the above do not exactly match, your description perfectly aligns with >> a highly niche sub-genre of stop-motion replacement animation executed >> on physical notebooks. Check these acclaimed shorts to see if one is your >> exact memory: >> >> - William Kentridge's *Drawing Lessons* / *Erasure Series*: A >> world-renowned fine artist famous for filming a large book or page from >> above. He draws in charcoal, records a frame, partially erases the >> charcoal (leaving a distinct "ghost" smudge and debris on the paper), >> and redraws over it. The animation is entirely defined by the physical act >> of erasing. >> - Blu's *Muto*: While famous for wall graffiti, this animator has a >> lesser-known, highly technical sequence shot top-down on an open, >> flat-lying sketchbook where surreal creatures morph, tear through the >> center seam, and consume the opposite page. >> - Don Hertzfeldt's Early Archive: Known for maintaining the physical >> realities of paper. His animations frequently show the edges of the paper, >> accidental tears, and pencil smudges, rejecting the sanitized digital >> look. >> [1 >> >> <https://mediacommons.org/imr/2015/01/15/morphing-city-street-art-vision-and-urban-embodiment-blu-s-muto>, >> 2 >> >> <https://biffbampop.com/2017/08/17/creations-of-chaos-the-chipmunk-adventure/> >> ] >> >> To help narrow down the exact film, could you tell me roughly what decade >> you saw this, whether the drawings were in black-and-white graphite or >> color, and if there was any music or sound effects (like the loud >> scraping of paper)? >> -- >> Dan Wilson. INTJ. Art. Music. Film. >> Bartoli Filmworks - Milwaukee, WI >> 414.573.3456 >> >> “Don't be trapped by dogma — which is living with the results of other >> people's thinking." -Steve Jobs >> >> >> >> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >> Virus-free.www.avg.com >> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >> <#m_-6799787101364938140_m_-8657063695573801379_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> On Fri, May 15, 2026 at 12:50 AM Adam Hyman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I am trying to figure out I saw at some undetermined time in the past >>> (but probably between five and ten years ago, maybe a bit more) and I have >>> no info on it except my recollection. Can’t find my notes. >>> >>> >>> >>> Animated, photographing down at a blank book, in which drawings start, >>> pages turn, and the animation becomes more and more involved. The >>> notebook(s) had pages on the left & right, bound in the middle (like a >>> normal blank book, lying flat), not one bound on one side (like a flip >>> book). At times parts of it are erased and scrapings are pushed off. (It >>> is not a regular flip book.) I’m sure there are multiple films like this, >>> and I’m happy to learn of more, but this one was exceptional in my memory, >>> and not by someone whose name I remember. It’s not short, so perhaps >>> multiple notebooks are used in the film. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sorry for the vagueness. Thank you for any help or suggestions. >>> >>> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> >>> >>> Adam >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> >>> Adam Hyman >>> >>> Executive Director >>> >>> Los Angeles Filmforum >>> >>> www.lafilmforum.org >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> 323-377-7238 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Frameworks mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> >>> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >>> >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Adam Hyman <[email protected]> >> To: Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Fri, 15 May 2026 09:38:31 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Trying to figure out a film >> >> Hi, >> >> Replying to you and Eli, >> >> It does have similarities to but it’s not Kentridge; I know his films, >> and I remember that this film was by someone I did not know. >> >> The film, if I remember correctly, was in color, but the drawings might >> have beem primarily black pencil or charcoal. But the book pages and >> setting had color. >> >> I can’t remember the “story” being drawn. >> >> I would imagine it would have circulated more in animation festivals. >> >> I also don’t fully trust my memory, and I trust AI even less, but will >> check these out. >> >> >> >> I found “The Mind's Eye: A Computer Animation Odyssey” on YouTube, and >> it’s definitely not that. That’s almost the exact opposite. Still looking >> for reference images from those works by PES. >> >> It’s not PES. >> >> https://pesfilm.com/pages/films >> >> And to show you how AI sucks, PES doesn’t seem to have films called “The >> Notebook” or “The Pencil Burster,” so no idea what AI is talking about. I >> am reassured that AI should actually be called AS for Artificial Stupidity, >> and should never be trusted for fact checking. >> >> >> >> Notes on Biology is closer >> >> https://vimeo.com/21119709 >> >> but the film didn’t have the scene-setting moments around it like this >> does, and there was nothing else in the notebook besides the drawing. >> That’s a fun film though. >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> >> >> *From: *Frameworks <[email protected]> on behalf of >> Daniel Wilson <[email protected]> >> *Reply-To: *Experimental Film Discussion List < >> [email protected]> >> *Date: *Friday, May 15, 2026 at 3:31 AM >> *To: *Experimental Film Discussion List <[email protected]> >> *Subject: *Re: [Frameworks] Trying to figure out a film >> >> >> >> Adam, >> >> I've seen this film too, but I can't remember its title. My curiosity got >> the better of me, so I did a quick search using your description. The AI >> overlords came back with the text below. I ~think~ the one I saw was "The >> Pencil Burster/The Notebook". >> >> Hope these help! >> >> Dan >> >> >> >> The masterpiece you are remembering is likely *The Mind's Eye: A Lasko >> Notebook Animation* or *La Joie de Vivre* type of meta-animation. >> However, the exact matches based on your highly specific visual cues—a >> flat-lying standard notebook bound in the middle, top-down framing, literal >> eraser scrapings being brushed away, and a longer, escalating >> narrative—point to one of two legendary independent animated shorts: >> >> *1. The Pencil Burster / The Notebook by PES (or similar avant-garde >> independent animators)* >> >> - *The Format:* The camera is locked directly overhead (*down-shot*), >> framing a clean, open notebook lying completely flat. >> - *The Progression:* It begins with simple graphite lines sketching >> basic geometric shapes or stick figures. As the pages turn left-to-right, >> the complexity morphs into highly intricate architectural or anatomical >> structures. >> - *The Eraser Crumbs:* This is the most distinct identifier. The >> animator intentionally retains the *meta-elements of real physical >> drawing*. Characters are violently rubbed out with a pink or white >> rubber eraser, leaving behind textured *rubber shavings/scrapings* >> that a hand physically sweeps off the page before the next sequence >> starts. >> [1 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8TTg1aPCLo&t=16>, 2 >> <https://storywarren.com/picture-books-that-flip-the-script/>] >> >> *2. Notes on Biology (by Ornana Films)* >> >> - *The Format:* Captures an escalating, epic battle/animation >> sequence inside a student’s standard, center-bound notebook during a class >> lecture. >> - *The Progression:* It starts as a simple doodle of an animal (an >> elephant) and expands into an incredibly detailed, multi-page, >> action-packed cinematic sequence utilizing multiple layers of the >> notebook. >> - *The Duration:* It runs much longer than a standard 30-second >> internet flipbook, transforming the entire notebook into an expansive >> ecosystem. >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *Other Iconic "Flat-Book" & Eraser Masterpieces To Explore* >> >> If the above do not exactly match, your description perfectly aligns with >> a highly niche sub-genre of *stop-motion replacement animation* executed >> on physical notebooks. Check these acclaimed shorts to see if one is your >> exact memory: >> >> - *William Kentridge's* *Drawing Lessons** / **Erasure Series**:* A >> world-renowned fine artist famous for filming a large book or page from >> above. He draws in charcoal, records a frame, partially *erases the >> charcoal* (leaving a distinct "ghost" smudge and debris on the >> paper), and redraws over it. The animation is entirely defined by the >> physical act of erasing. >> - *Blu's* *Muto**:* While famous for wall graffiti, this animator has >> a lesser-known, highly technical sequence shot top-down on an open, >> flat-lying sketchbook where surreal creatures morph, tear through the >> center seam, and consume the opposite page. >> - *Don Hertzfeldt's Early Archive:* Known for maintaining the >> physical realities of paper. His animations frequently show the edges of >> the paper, accidental tears, and pencil smudges, rejecting the sanitized >> digital look. [1 >> >> <https://mediacommons.org/imr/2015/01/15/morphing-city-street-art-vision-and-urban-embodiment-blu-s-muto>, >> 2 >> >> <https://biffbampop.com/2017/08/17/creations-of-chaos-the-chipmunk-adventure/> >> ] >> >> To help narrow down the exact film, could you tell me *roughly what >> decade* you saw this, whether the drawings were in *black-and-white >> graphite* or color, and if there was any *music or sound effects* (like >> the loud scraping of paper)? >> >> -- >> Dan Wilson. INTJ. Art. Music. Film. >> Bartoli Filmworks - Milwaukee, WI >> 414.573.3456 >> >> “Don't be trapped by dogma — which is living with the results of other >> people's thinking." -Steve Jobs >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >> >> Virus-free.www.avg.com >> <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 15, 2026 at 12:50 AM Adam Hyman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I am trying to figure out I saw at some undetermined time in the past >> (but probably between five and ten years ago, maybe a bit more) and I have >> no info on it except my recollection. Can’t find my notes. >> >> >> >> Animated, photographing down at a blank book, in which drawings start, >> pages turn, and the animation becomes more and more involved. The >> notebook(s) had pages on the left & right, bound in the middle (like a >> normal blank book, lying flat), not one bound on one side (like a flip >> book). At times parts of it are erased and scrapings are pushed off. (It >> is not a regular flip book.) I’m sure there are multiple films like this, >> and I’m happy to learn of more, but this one was exceptional in my memory, >> and not by someone whose name I remember. It’s not short, so perhaps >> multiple notebooks are used in the film. >> >> >> >> Sorry for the vagueness. Thank you for any help or suggestions. >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> >> Adam >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> >> Adam Hyman >> >> Executive Director >> >> Los Angeles Filmforum >> >> www.lafilmforum.org >> >> [email protected] >> >> 323-377-7238 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Frameworks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >> >> -- Frameworks mailing list [email protected] >> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >> -- >> Frameworks mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mail.film-gallery.org/mailman/listinfo/frameworks_film-gallery.org >> >
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