Re the issues below, Matt McKinzie wrote me a nice apology, as we had thought it was my image.

Mark, you did an excellent job in selecting the one strip of that film that has been on my site for more than a decade that shows the cut, of all the many cuts in the film, that I had selected as particularly interesting. I'm, glad we agree that this is a worthy one for a still. But you make no mention of running it sideways, and in a way that suggests the images has the baby right side up. So you think it's OK to run strips horizontally? Do you think that what "folks often like," that is, the reduction of a film that is full of movement to an "object," should be catered to? Of course any strip is an object, but I would clam that a vertical strip showing a cut does better suggest movement, and actual film projection.

Of course the color and brightness values of a still are never going to be identical to what is seen on the screen, which anyway can vary from projector to projector and projector bulb to projector bulb, but I always try to adjust mine to bring them closer to what is seen in the film. In yours, the baby images are bright to the point of being washed out.

I too will sometimes claim "fair use" in using stills from narrative features. Typically I will take these from a DVD.  My big complaint is /not/ that I thought my image had been borrowed without permission, but that it was shown in ways that are false to the film. To me, horizontal strips are never acceptable, except maybe for 35mm VistaVision and perhaps also IMax, and some will know why I say that.

Fred Camper <http://www.fredcamper.com/>
Chicago

On 8/11/2026 3:02 PM, Dennis Doros wrote:
Mark brings up a very interesting discussion. There are dozens of books using stills from our licensed films without our, or our filmmakers' permission. I suspect academics are more willing to ask archives and academics they know for permission, but see everything else as fair use.

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On Tue, Aug 11, 2026 at 3:26 PM mrktosc <[email protected]> wrote:

    Actually this Anticipation image is from a photo I took of the
    original for the film, and which has appeared online here and
    there. The visible perfs are original to my image and not added by
    anyone, though they’ve partly doubled the image for design
    purposes, it seems.

    I think originally this photo was put online for something I wrote
    about inspecting Stan’s film elements but can’t remember.  Nobody
    asks for permission generally for these kinds of uses, though
    academics/writers who have written about Stan’s process have
    usually asked me if they can include photos I’ve taken (and I
    always say yes and give them the original photo to make sure it’s
    decent quality).  The photos I’ve taken are generally
    archival/illustrative documents of the films as objects for
    informational or descriptive purposes about archiving or process,
    and aren’t meant to represent the films as cinematic experiences,
    but folks often like the film strip object as a stand-in for a
    still, so it’s not surprising they get used that way.

    Mark


    On Aug 11, 2026, at 2:39 PM, Dominic Angerame
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    
    Hi Fred to add to the reproduction of your scan, in the image
    that the Modern Art Museum used even the sprocket holes are on
    the wrong side if one is running the film on a set rewinds.
    Obviously whoever did this design knows nothing about celluloid
    film. They are just using it as decorative art.

    Dominic

    On Tue, Aug 11, 2026 at 4:09 AM Fred Camper <[email protected]> wrote:

        This admittedly harsh rant is in response to a little ad for
        a likely very worthy program of experimental films coming up
        at the MoMA. My objection is to an image shown below. The
        post is at
        
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid0JuRUP85Wnng2eC3bzcaZUSG2FoNdxaKnkvrBXvai6mkUrARdjcxrVRhZ1j4jcyX7l&id=100021319367953
        
<https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid0JuRUP85Wnng2eC3bzcaZUSG2FoNdxaKnkvrBXvai6mkUrARdjcxrVRhZ1j4jcyX7l&id=100021319367953>

        <MoMAStrip.jpg>


        Thank you for making me aware of the fact that the Museum of
        Modern Art's Department of Film has stolen one of my many
        scans of strips from films by Stan Brakhage off of my Web site.
        <https://www.fredcamper.com/Film/BrakhageS.html>

        Forgive me, because this rant may seem somewhat insane, but I
        believe it to be justified. My many scans of strips from
        prints of Brakhage films were made over two decades with
        scanners I purchased myself, the images selected as carefully
        as I could based on my feel for his aesthetic and knowledge
        of his films. They were made, more importantly, out of love
        for the films, and I tried to find images that would be
        interesting or attractive on their own but would also
        represent the film well. Hence many scans, such as this one,
        were chosen to display particularly meaningful cuts. These
        choices were made by someone whose life was changed by
        discovering Brakhage films at 16, attending the world
        premiere of “The Art of Vision” at Yale at 17, and by showing
        and speaking on his films at various venues throughout the
        world after having shown them at a film society I co-founded
        in Cambridge, Massachusetts, in 1964, which included the
        presentation of the premiere of “23rd Psalm Branch,” with
        Brakhage in attendance and me projecting, as well as other
        programs of films by Peter Kubelka, Bruce Baillie, and Warren
        Sonbert, with each of them in attendance, and more.

        When I showed Brakhage the first pages of stills on my site,
        right after setting it up, in the fall of 2001, only a little
        less than a year before he died, he really liked them. I want
        to say he loved them. He asked how long they would be up on
        the Internet. When I said something like “permanently” or
        “indefinitely,” he seemed surprised and pleased. Twenty-five
        years later they are still up, and are still being used
        without permission in ways that misrepresent the films.

        Isn’t “stolen” a little harsh? I haven't tried to copyright
        my choices of stills; I assume that they can't be, and that
        seems just. But that doesn't mean people should use them
        without permission. The so-called “Brakhage Center” did that
        some years ago, mixing them in with a student-designed mashup
        of images. Had the Museum of Modern Art, Department of Film,
        New York, bothered to write me for permission, the strip
        would have been free, but they would have gotten a sharper,
        higher-resolution strip than what I put on the Web. They also
        would not have been able to misuse it the way they did.

        Marilyn Brakhage and I have never permitted the strips to be
        run sideways. Run that way, they are false to the film. The
        whole point of trying to get people to run strips rather than
        single-frame enlargements is that Brakhage’s ever-changing
        film spaces are best suggested by strips. But sideways?
        Really? The baby shown sideways? Would you do that with a
        single-frame enlargement? Run vertically, the strips can
        encourage one to imagine an instant of the film.
        Horizontally, they are reduced to decoration.

        What’s even worse: we tend to “read” a horizontal strip left
        to right, in the direction in which we read text. Seen that
        way, the viewer will infer that the baby is right side up,
        and that it appears after the blue light. But in this brief
        segment of “Anticipation of the Night,” the baby is shown
        upside down, and the blue light comes after. In the film, the
        camera swirls about the baby, and it is seen in what feels
        like all possible orientations.

        I suppose it’s possible that someone made their own scan from
        a print of the film. That would explain the absurdly
        “decorative” presence of three different lines of sprocket
        holes running along the edges of the film, two very thin ones
        and a full one. Or would it? This kind of stupid and false
        paste-in job, adding sprocket holes (which in fact some of my
        strips do include), has been done before with my strips. But
        how would they have managed to choose exactly this cut? In
        any case, their image is not only less sharp than mine, but
        far too “overexposed.”

        My dear friend Kirk Winslow said at a dinner in 2002, when I
        complained about a bad editor trying to introduce factual
        errors into my film writing, after the other three of us
        complained about poor film projection in New York, “Fred!
        People just don’t care,” pounding his fist on the table once
        for each word. I perhaps would not remember this so vividly,
        and cite it so often, if it were not the last time he went
        out. He died of HIV a month or two later.

        If we wish to make the world better, we need to stop
        thoughtlessly slapping things together, and instead, to start
        caring.

        <http://www.fredcamper.com/> Fred Camper
        <http://www.fredcamper.com/>
        Chicago


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