I remember seeing that kind of thing in late 60s Psych rock clips... The precursors of MTV.
2016-06-26 23:55 GMT-04:00 o...@thenowcorporation.com < o...@thenowcorporation.com>: > was it Thanatopsis? love that film. > > Owen's mobile device > > > > On Jun 26, 2016, at 8:42 PM, Colinet André <colinet.an...@coditel.net> > wrote: > > I agree with Myron and Fred. > That makes three cranky old schoolers. > Colinet André > Brussels > > *From:* Myron Ort <z...@sonic.net> > *Sent:* Monday, June 27, 2016 12:09 AM > *To:* Experimental Film Discussion List <frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com> > *Subject:* Re: [Frameworks] History question > > in the 60s we all would shoot elapsed time single exposures of lights at > night either moving the camera while exposing or letting the movement of > the car or whatever make the streaks, usually superimposing over other > stuff. Not necessarily long term time lapse requiring a timer though... > Ed Emshwiller did something like this way back, I forget which film….. > > no big deal, and who cares who did it first….. > > btw, “Koyaanisqatsi” always just seemed like a high budget student film to > me, same subject matter and trivial default message of every student film I > saw as a film instructor…..you can hardly go out with your camera in an > urban environment and fool around with various techniques and not make a > film with that “message”…….by default…. > > --another cranky old schooler….. > > > > > On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:26 PM, Fred Camper <f...@fredcamper.com> wrote: > > > Cancel my last post. It's been pointed out that you were not replying to > me, sorry. I don't need to get more involved in all this! > Fred Camper > Chicago > > On 6/26/2016 2:42 PM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote: > > Provocation. Works for Trump. But so far we had not been directed to any > clips of "streaky-lights car POV" footage prior to 1975. That's why the > question is out there. Happy to revise when 'fact-checked'. > > / > < DV > Gregory Gutenko > / > > > > On Jun 26, 2016, at 2:04 PM, Francisco Torres <fjtorre...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > If you are not sure it was the ''first time ever'' why claim it in the > Vimeo video? > > 2016-06-26 14:17 GMT-04:00 Tim Halloran <televis...@hotmail.com>: > >> Cranky Camper. >> >> Regardless, a pretty cool little film Gregory. >> >> Tim >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jun 26, 2016, at 9:08 AM, Fred Camper <f...@fredcamper.com> wrote: >> >> The question of who was first with an effect is the most unanswerable >> question in film history. You would have to see every film ever made, >> including all the ones that have been lost, to answer it. >> >> Even if you could answer it, what would the answer mean? >> >> Perhaps the first was a 1937 film by an amateur filmmaker in Finland that >> no one ever saw. So what would that fact signify? Even if "Koyaanisqatsi" >> "popularized" the effect, does that mean that every subsequent use of it >> was a result? Surely there are filmmakers since who discovered it on their >> own. If you are filming a car ride with a camera with single framing, it's >> kind of an obvious thing to try. >> >> I'm pretty sure I've seen this in lesser known "experimental" films of >> the 1960s. >> >> Personally, I hope no one tries it again (just kidding, but not >> completely). >> Fred Camper >> Chicago >> >> On 6/26/2016 10:42 AM, Gutenko, Gregory wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> >> A historical question: >> >> What was the first film to do a time-exposed single-frame sequence from a >> car/driver POV? Koyaanisqatsi popularized the effect in 1983, but when was >> it first done? I worked on a student film in 1975 called Nervous on the >> Road that featured this technique at mid-point, but surely we weren't the >> first, were we? You can check a very compressed file of Nervous out on >> Vimeo athttps://vimeo.com/25296928 >> >> When we did this we were going for the slit-scan look of the stargate >> sequence from 2001, but that was an animation process and we were doing >> real-world cinematography with a wind-up Bolex. It won an award at a film >> festival in 1997 and was broadcast over four midwest PBS stations in 1980 >> and not shown since. >> >> So who originated this effect? >> >> Gregory Gutenko >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing >> listFrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.comhttps://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing > listFrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.comhttps://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > _______________________________________________ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > >
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