Re: Blah Blah Bah Blob

Sun, 18 Mar 2007 06:41:11 -0800 

Greetings and A Big Timeout all.
Well I note that if you are are forwarding the FreeBSD OS then we need to face the fact it is good! and freedom is really close to chaos, with freedom at stake, I vote for Chaos. 


FreeBSD is good and it has helped many of my clients get out of the grips of 
Commercial Server Operation System's, and give them at the same time 
Stability, Secure, and Reliable services.



OK maybe there are some people with inroads to be worked out, and  have some 
political and person greavances, Some feel this is a Place to forward 
FreeBSD, not blast each other.



For some us we feel FreeBSD 6 tree is still broken and has not moved forward 
as fast as we all want it to.  Do to most of the person and political 
differences want to make it seem a lost hope, Well wasn't it I, that said 
"freedom is really close to chaos." Well we are at the chaos stage, and that 
means some parties want to be, more or less, decenting, wait that starst to 
sound like democratic, not autocratic..... this is the point, with feedback 
we can get the concensis of what we all want. by listening and digesting the 
facts. soon we forget that some players in the allBSD crowd brought us the 
EuroBSDcon2005 , and they were open enough to have freeBSD be there too. 
After all there are many BSD's,  I feel giving equal time to the other 
flavors of BSD was quite a refreshing, since then the BSD parties have grown 
apart a little, but what does it mean.



My clients who had faith in me and FreeBSD will be let down ( not on my 
watch), will we have to develop FreeBSD alone, ( the core will never let 
that happen) some try to discredit FreeBSD to their own person gains (Maybe) 
will this silliness last very long ( no!)



All said and done let the doors of the firey ball of fermament fly open, 
after all this is a FreeBSD Advocacy list not a tool shed list!



Anyone can write this better contact me for my feelings and I hope we can 
all come to a common frame of mind.


Best regards

Salvatore Albanese
Sr. Consultant
OEMS Sagl



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  1. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav )
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  3. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav )
  4. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Jan Husar)
  5. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav )
  6. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Jan Husar)
  7. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Jona Joachim)
  8. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav )
  9. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Jona Joachim)
 10. Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign (Jona Joachim)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:14:32 +0100
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav )
Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign
To: Jona Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Jona Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

I heard of the "Stop the Blob" campaign led by allBSD [1] today.
The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the
FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign.


I don't see a FreeBSD logo there.  All I see is the BSD daemon, which
is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives.  The FreeBSD logo is here:
<URL:http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html>

DES
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:53:50 +0100
From: Jona Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav )
Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:14:32 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) wrote:


Jona Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I heard of the "Stop the Blob" campaign led by allBSD [1] today.
> The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the
> FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign.

I don't see a FreeBSD logo there.  All I see is the BSD daemon, which
is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives.  The FreeBSD logo is here:
<URL:http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html>


You have to scroll to the bottom of the flyer. I hope this is not too
much of an effort.
http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Poster.jpg

Jona

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laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you
are free." Eris, Goddess Of Chaos, Discord & Confusion
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:25:21 +0100
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav )
Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign
To: Jona Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org
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Jona Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Dag-Erling Smørgrav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Jona Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I heard of the "Stop the Blob" campaign led by allBSD [1] today.
> > The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the
> > FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign.
> I don't see a FreeBSD logo there.  All I see is the BSD daemon,
> which is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives.  The FreeBSD
> logo is here: <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html>
You have to scroll to the bottom of the flyer. I hope this is not
too much of an effort.
http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Poster.jpg


OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect AllBSD will be
hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...

DES
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:27:49 +0100
From: Jan Husar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign
To: Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Jona Joachim
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:

Jona Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Dag-Erling Smørgrav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Jona Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

I heard of the "Stop the Blob" campaign led by allBSD [1] today.
The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the
FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign.

I don't see a FreeBSD logo there.  All I see is the BSD daemon,
which is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives.  The FreeBSD
logo is here: <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html>

You have to scroll to the bottom of the flyer. I hope this is not
too much of an effort.
http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Poster.jpg


OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect AllBSD will be
hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...



What this suppose to mean?
Allbsd is doing a pretty awesome job!


DES




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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:47:46 +0100
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav )
Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign
To: Jan Husar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Jona Joachim
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Jan Husar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Dag-Erling Smørgrav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect AllBSD will be
> hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...
What this suppose to mean?  Allbsd is doing a pretty awesome job!


No matter how good a job they do, they still have to follow the law.

DES
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:53:56 +0100
From: Jan Husar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign
To: Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Jona Joachim
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Dag-Erling Smørgrav wrote:

Jan Husar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Dag-Erling Smørgrav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect AllBSD will be
hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...

What this suppose to mean?  Allbsd is doing a pretty awesome job!


No matter how good a job they do, they still have to follow the law.



Definetly, but:

Over the years as I'm working as full time opensource activist mostly
involved with the community and government/educational sector I must
say, the main reason we are so effective and deployable is we are able
to cooperate over any communication method know to man.

Which means, if I see action somewhere benefiting us as a whole, I'm
going to support it, because in the end it does support and help me and
my projects.

If allbsd did something wrong, we should be able to discuss is and
possible fix or try to find a solution, not spaming about lawyers.
As a community, we suffer enough, should we have some enemy within and
fight a guerilla warfare? When the BSD have enough problems already?

Jan


DES



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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:54:43 +0100
From: Jona Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav )
Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:25:21 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) wrote:


Jona Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Dag-Erling Smørgrav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Jona Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > I heard of the "Stop the Blob" campaign led by allBSD [1] today.
> > > The FreeBSD logo is used in their flyer [2] which means that the
> > > FreeBSD Project is supporting the campaign.
> > I don't see a FreeBSD logo there.  All I see is the BSD daemon,
> > which is a common mascot for all BSD derivatives.  The FreeBSD
> > logo is here: <URL:http://www.freebsd.org/logo.html>
> You have to scroll to the bottom of the flyer. I hope this is not
> too much of an effort.
> http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Poster.jpg

OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect AllBSD will be
hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...


Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project leaders didn't know that our
logo was used for this campaign?
Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project encourages blobs?

Jona


--
"I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists
build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns
laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you
are free." Eris, Goddess Of Chaos, Discord & Confusion
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:05:32 +0100
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav )
Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign
To: Jona Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Jona Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Dag-Erling Smørgrav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect AllBSD will be
> hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...
Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project leaders didn't know that our
logo was used for this campaign?
Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project encourages blobs?


It means that the matter is now in the hands of those who are
qualified to handle it.

As for the FreeBSD Project's stance on closed-source drivers, I will
let the source tree speak for itself:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~% find /sys/contrib -name \*.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/nve/amd64/nvenetlib.o.bz2.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/nve/i386/nvenetlib.o.bz2.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/oltr/i386-elf.trlld.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/arm9-le-thumb-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/armv4-be-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/armv4-le-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/i386-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips-be-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips-le-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips1-be-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mips1-le-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mipsisa32-be-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/mipsisa32-le-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/powerpc-be-eabi.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/powerpc-le-eabi.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/sh4-le-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/x86_64-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/xscale-be-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/xscale-le-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/alpha-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/powerpc-be-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/sparc64-be-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap30.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap43.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap51.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/ap61.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ath/public/sparc-be-elf.hal.o.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ipw/ipw2100-1.3-i.fw.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ipw/ipw2100-1.3-p.fw.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/ipw/ipw2100-1.3.fw.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/iwi/ipw2200-bss.fw.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/iwi/ipw2200-ibss.fw.uu
/sys/contrib/dev/iwi/ipw2200-sniffer.fw.uu

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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:12:41 +0100
From: Jona Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav )
Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jona
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:47:46 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) wrote:


Jan Husar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Dag-Erling Smørgrav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect AllBSD will be
> > hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...
> What this suppose to mean?  Allbsd is doing a pretty awesome job!

No matter how good a job they do, they still have to follow the law.


What makes you say they violated the law? I'm quite sure some people of
the FreeBSD Foundation were shown this before it was made public.

Jona

--
"I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists
build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns
laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you
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Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:24:59 +0100
From: Jona Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: allBSD's "Stop the Blob" Campaign
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav )
Cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org, Jona Joachim
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:05:32 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dag-Erling Smørgrav) wrote:


Jona Joachim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Dag-Erling Smørgrav <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > OK.  That's a clear trademark violation.  I expect AllBSD will be
> > hearing from the FreeBSD Foundation's lawyers...
> Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project leaders didn't know that our
> logo was used for this campaign?
> Does this mean that the FreeBSD Project encourages blobs?

It means that the matter is now in the hands of those who are
qualified to handle it.

As for the FreeBSD Project's stance on closed-source drivers, I will
let the source tree speak for itself:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~% find /sys/contrib -name \*.uu

<snip listing of binaries>

How about porting OpenHAL to FreeBSD?

Jona

--
"I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists
build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns
laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and tell you that you
are free." Eris, Goddess Of Chaos, Discord & Confusion
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