Hello everybody, would like to know as why is in FreeBSD v 8.0 RC1 successfull installation on hp Proliant DL 320 with gnome the gTerminal in System not available, although it is also installed? any clue would be appriciated.
sincerely, sisantha PS. if this is not the right place to place the question, pl. kindly diket to (send me) the appropriste link, thanks. > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: <freebsd-chat-requ...@freebsd.org> > Gesendet: 30.09.09 14:00:57 > An: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > Betreff: freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 321, Issue 1 > Send freebsd-chat mailing list submissions to > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > freebsd-chat-requ...@freebsd.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > freebsd-chat-ow...@freebsd.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of freebsd-chat digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: FreeBSD vs Ubuntu - Discuss... (Francisco Reyes) > 2. RE: FreeBSD vs Ubuntu - Discuss... (Rick N) > 3. Re: FreeBSD vs Ubuntu - Discuss... (sor...@cydem.org) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:42:13 -0400 > From: Francisco Reyes <li...@stringsutils.com> > Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs Ubuntu - Discuss... > To: Dieter <free...@sopwith.solgatos.com> > Cc: FreeBSD Chat List <freebsd-chat@freebsd.org> > Message-ID: <cone.1254242533.271161.79872.1...@zoraida.natserv.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="US-ASCII" > > Moving to chat instead of performance. > > >> This was discussed in detail in slashdot.. starting with the fact that > >> most > >> likely debug switches were not turned off for FreeBSD. > > > > "All of the FreeBSD and Ubuntu options were left at their defaults." > > > > My question is why is FreeBSD's disk i/o performance so bad? > > As I mentioned... this was discussed actively in slashdot. You will find > there many good comments on this. > > > Not just in the benchmarks with debugging on, but in real world usage > > where it actually matters. > > Are you saying this from actual experience or from reading other people's > comments? If it is from actual experience and XYZ version of Linux does a > particular job better then I don't see why you should not consider using > what works best. > > As someone who has had to use Redhat for over a year because that is what > this job uses... I would trade some performance for not having to deal with > all the peculiarities in Linux distros. > > Also, as mentioned in the slashdot article discussion, some of the reasons > Linux may do better on some operations are a tradeoff between > stability/security and speed. > > http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1384455 > > >From having to use Linux I have found some instances where FreeBSD may no > not be up to par (ie Java), but overall I would much rather use FreeBSD if I > had a choice. "Features" like the OOM killer are, in my opinion, extremely > poorly designed and likely worst executed. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:08:33 -0400 > From: Rick N <sola...@hotmail.com> > Subject: RE: FreeBSD vs Ubuntu - Discuss... > To: <freebsd-chat@freebsd.org> > Message-ID: <bay113-w23bb52547c981cad1344d5a1...@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > "...Pick any colour you want, as long as its BLACK..." -its not always the > car, its invariably the DRIVER !!! > > Obviously, as long that *IX works in your "real" world, then thats all that > matters. > > > > Be situationally bound, NOT existentially. > > > > :) > > > > From: li...@stringsutils.com > > To: free...@sopwith.solgatos.com > > Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 12:42:13 -0400 > > CC: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs Ubuntu - Discuss... > > > > Moving to chat instead of performance. > > > > >> This was discussed in detail in slashdot.. starting with the fact that > > >> most > > >> likely debug switches were not turned off for FreeBSD. > > > > > > "All of the FreeBSD and Ubuntu options were left at their defaults." > > > > > > My question is why is FreeBSD's disk i/o performance so bad? > > > > As I mentioned... this was discussed actively in slashdot. You will find > > there many good comments on this. > > > > > Not just in the benchmarks with debugging on, but in real world usage > > > where it actually matters. > > > > Are you saying this from actual experience or from reading other people's > > comments? If it is from actual experience and XYZ version of Linux does a > > particular job better then I don't see why you should not consider using > > what works best. > > > > As someone who has had to use Redhat for over a year because that is what > > this job uses... I would trade some performance for not having to deal with > > all the peculiarities in Linux distros. > > > > Also, as mentioned in the slashdot article discussion, some of the reasons > > Linux may do better on some operations are a tradeoff between > > stability/security and speed. > > > > http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1384455 > > > > >From having to use Linux I have found some instances where FreeBSD may no > > not be up to par (ie Java), but overall I would much rather use FreeBSD if > > I > > had a choice. "Features" like the OOM killer are, in my opinion, extremely > > poorly designed and likely worst executed. > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live helps you keep up with all your friends, in one place. > http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9660826 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:42:51 -0700 > From: <sor...@cydem.org> > Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs Ubuntu - Discuss... > To: <freebsd-chat@freebsd.org> > Cc: free...@sopwith.solgatos.com, li...@stringsutils.com > Message-ID: <20090930014251.4f827...@soralx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > > > Moving to chat instead of performance. > > > > >> This was discussed in detail in slashdot.. starting with the fact that > > >> most likely debug switches were not turned off for FreeBSD. > > > > > > "All of the FreeBSD and Ubuntu options were left at their defaults." > > > > > > My question is why is FreeBSD's disk i/o performance so bad? > > > > As I mentioned... this was discussed actively in slashdot. You will find > > there many good comments on this. > > Debug switches? Irrelevant, as 7.2 performed just as poorly (if not worse) > in the threaded random writes test. One would think that the unrealistically > poor [disk?] I/O performance bench data in FreeBSD was just a glitch, but > using the OS everyday as a workstation, I actually notice that there could > be some truth in those numbers. At least for ATA, when there's some disk I/O > going on, file write operations that normally take milliseconds, may take > tens of seconds or a minute! For example, loading the root disk with some > serious concurrent I/O (portupgrade, find, tar xz, etc) makes opera > unusable: the web browser normally saves "sessions" file everytime there's > a change (e.g., a tab closed, or a page scrolled), and usually the write > operation is unnoticeable, but with heavy disk I/O, one could wait for tens > of seconds before, say, a page gets scrolled following keyboard input. > > I thinks that stream [memory benchmark] may also be demonstrating a > weakness in FreeBSD, though I have doubts on this one. > > --- > [SorAlx] ridin' VN2000 Classic LT > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscr...@freebsd.org" > > End of freebsd-chat Digest, Vol 321, Issue 1 > ******************************************** > ______________________________________________________ GRATIS für alle WEB.DE-Nutzer: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! 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