> On Aug 20, 2014, at 11:05, Alfred Perlstein <bri...@mu.org> wrote:
>
>> On 8/20/14 11:00 AM, Davide Italiano wrote:
>> One of my personal goals for 11 is to get rid of cloning mechanism
>> entirely, and pty(4) is one of the few in-kernel drivers still relying
>> on such mechanism.
>> It's not possible, at least to my understanding, converting pty(4) to
>> cdevpriv(9) as happened with other drivers. This is mainly because we
>> always need a pair of devices (/dev/ptyXX and /dev/ttyXX) and
>> userspace loops over ptyXX and after it successfully opens it tries to
>> open the other one with the same suffix. So, having a single device is
>> not really enough.
>> My option, instead, is that of removing pty(4), which is nothing more
>> than a compatibility driver, and move pmtx(4) code somewhere else.
>> The main drawback of the removal of this is that it makes impossible
>> to run FreeBSD <= 7 jails and SSH into them. I personally don't
>> consider this a huge issue, in light of the fact that FreeBSD-7 has
>> been EOL for a long time, but I would like to hear other people
>> comments.
>>
>> The code review for the proposed change can be found here:
>> https://reviews.freebsd.org/D659
>>
>> If I won't get any objection I'll commit this in one week time, i.e.
>> August 27th.
> I don't think that we want to break userland apps pre-7.x. Do you mean just
> jails are broken? Or is all pre-7.x compat? I believe either is dicey.
> What is the reason for getting rid of cloning? What is the difficulty in
> maintaining the old interface?
Doing this would also break login shells, xterms, etc, right? Some
companies I worked for built their appliance products on newer OSes, and they
were based off of 6 and 7. This seems like something that deserves being tossed
into the compat layer if it's something that can be converted over to the new
interface.
Thanks!
-Garrett
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