Hi, I was under the impression you could just drop the necessary hints for a non pnp card in /boot/device.hints and kldload snd_driver and should expect to see pcm and sbc be detected by the kernel and work. Is this not the case? Using the same hints and compiling pcm and sbc into the kernel works just fine, even with devfs. It just doesn't attach anything with the sound modules. Is there any more info that I could provide that would help clear up the problem? Thanks. To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message