* De: Marcel Moolenaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ Data: 2003-01-28 ]
        [ Subjecte: Re: Patch to teach config(8) about "platforms". ]
> > No, we have not established that.
> 
> *sigh*
> 
> Is the problem space 2D or 3D?

Define your terms better.  I could argue the number of axes very
easily, and you could come back and argue against them.

> > We attach lots of meaning to MACHINE.  You keep missing that that
> > is NOT the same as the "machine" keyword.
> 
> And you keep missing that I don't assume that it cannot be made the
> same. That's why I ask about meaning and that's why I want things
> to be discussed on an abstract level.

OK.  Well, if you make them the same, you are hacking up an existing
thing to mean something vastly different, which IMO is ugly and
full of repetition, and wholly un-flesible.  Unless you propose to
create <platform> based on MACHINE in the MACHINE_ARCH != MACHINE
case anyway, and use that, there is now even more duplication and
obfuscation that must be done to e.g. the headers.

> >  It is, however, the same
> > as the "platform" keyword.
> 
> You also fail to see that the consequence of adding platform is
> beyond the mere recognition of the keyword. Only when the
> problem space is 3D, do you need to add a new entity for sure.
> If the problem space is 2D, you may be able to solve it with
> the existing knobs. Yes, this may mean that you may have to
> stop using it for whatever purpose (right or wrong) it's used
> now.

I don't want to change the meaning of machine, the two things are
orthogonal, but because the name is similar you want to callesce
them.  I want to add a new paradigm of FreeBSD ports, as well as
the mechanism to do this, based on what I want to do, and the fact
that it makes sense to Benno.  We're just providing a set of quirks,
and that should be something that fits in nicely as an addition.
And it does, and it stays out of the way of things that do not need
it, and provides IMO the cleanest design.

Thanx,
juli.
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