I am on FreeBSD desktop since FreeBSD 9 (I started from PCBSD and then
switched to 'classic' FreeBSD).
I tested almost all 'advanced' DEs and WMs (just GNOME was skipped
because I saw it before and I did not like it).
Finally, I finished with Enlightenment DE and I'm still using it.
IMHO, Xorg itself is not resource intensive, but KDE is. If you try
Enlightenment - you'll understand it ;)
As about X11Libre - I'm really excited to see it coming, I would like to
find it in ports ASAP.
The global situation is definitely bad, we have finally the same
situation as in closed source operating systems - big companies force
users to change their habits and use THE software pushed by 'big boys'.
It was the reason I switched to OSS many years ago, now the problem is
back in OSS world.
I'm agree with Tomek, FreeBSD foundation should act at different, more
conservative way, without breaking the existing software stack. They
have everything for this. Now we must show to the whole OSS world that
another way of development is possible.
Peter TKATCHENKO
On 19/06/2025 07:22, Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez wrote:
Nice discussion :-)
My day-to-day happens on Linux and macOS, but I have dedicated an
older laptop to see what the BSD world has to offer.
I settled for FreeBSD when 14.1 came out and then I've gone through
both upgrades.
My desktop is KDE because the image preview system is good enough to
show my Pentax camera's raw images.
I'm mainly on x11 with occasional visits to wayland, as Dmitry, to
"see what it does", or maybe, to be more precise, to see if I can
avoid having to compile emacs-devel from the ports to get it running
on x11. An alternative would be to include emacs-devel-x and
emacs-devel-pgtk separately in the pkg repositories...
Regarding FreeBSD is not Linux and showing that to people, yes sure,
but that's less pressing in my priority list.
From the discussion, I'm interested in seeing what X11Libre has to offer.
If they give us a less resource intensive graphics support system,
then I'd be happy to forget wayland completely :-)
My .2cents, /PA
On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 at 17:27, Tomek CEDRO<[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 18, 2025 at 4:41 PM Dmitry Salychev<[email protected]> wrote:
Tomek CEDRO<[email protected]> writes:
https://www.kicad.org/blog/2025/06/KiCad-and-Wayland-Support/
Some big projects seem to talk out loud about compatibility and
maintenance issues of "modern" solutions as well as "enforced changes"
ideologies in Open-Source :-)
I like the "Linux is already a small section of the KiCad userbase"
statement, that seems to confirm my old saying "Open-Source is much
bigger than Linux, Linux is only small part of Open-Source" (aka
"Linux is Open-Source, but Open-Source is not only Linux").
"Linux mindset" clearly means "enforced changes" and
"self-incompatibility" which may be nail to its coffin in the long
run. More and more people can see that clearly now.
As European countries seem to ditch Microsoft solutions in the gov/edu
areas and there is a very strong push now towards Open-Source,
unfortunately still towards Linux as the first candidate, this may be
a great chance for BSD to come out and take a lead with its solid
roots and long term compatibility as the well established Desktop
Environment. This opportunity should not be missed.
I hope this will also be a good time to reveal Open-Source drivers
problems, lack of development support from vendors, maybe gain funding
from the governments, and that Linux will not lead this mess anymore.
We should all have a common base for stable useful versatile and
self-compatible drivers that can be used along on all Open-Source
operating systems :-)
Have a good day folks :-)
Tomek
I don't think that this is the project's mindset to aggressively compete
with GNU/Linux in general. I don't think that gov/edu folk really care
about actual replacement for Windows as soon as it'll be working just
fine to satisfy their needs either (they might even think... that
FreeBSD is another GNU/Linux distribution!).
For example, I'll be running Xfce as long as it'll be necessary to have
a properly working KiCad and try Wayland stuff occasionally to have an
idea how im/mature it became. Not the other way around.
Regards,
Dmitry
Thanks Dmitry, I fully agree and work the same, but I can see the
opportunity here to show people the difference between Linux and
FreeBSD so they are at least aware there are other OS out there in the
Open-Source world and _why_ FreeBSD is not yet another Linux
distribution :-)
Also this kind of big moves may indicate a clear directions and goals
for the LDWG (Laptop Desktop Working Group) from the market demands
point of view not only what we as users/developers think we want :-)
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