On 22/02/2016 9:56pm, Miroslav Lachman wrote:
> I don't know your environment and your FreeBSD jails skills but it seems you 
> think jails are something complex and "magic". It is not.
...
> Just don't be afraid of writing simple shell scripts :)


You are right, and perhaps I should just bite the bullet. I am afraid of only 
two things.

* upgrade the basejail with FreeBSD upgrades. I am sure this is a simple bit of 
chroot magic, but freebsd-update is a bit of a black box to me.

* nullfs. I've never used it before and need to play with it more

As for shell scripts: my only goal in life is to write *fewer* shell scripts. 
My adoption of saltstack was spurred by shell everywhere, mostly not under 
version control. So less shell and more python centrally managed and versioned 
is my dream.



> For your problem with installing old versions of packages - I think you are 
> still able to install whatever version you need if you have it locally on 
> disk. Then you can use "pkg install my-package-1.2.3.txz"
> (you need all dependencies as well)

I think 'pkg add' is needed there, but dependencies are very complicated to 
make work in this way. And I need a new package distribution model not based on 
the standard repo that poudriere makes. Which is why I started this whole 
exploration.


Thanks for your ideas. I should be less afraid of letting go of the jail 
management tools.

Ari




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