> I don't think a rewrite is ever going to be much of a good idea,
> a restructuring might, meaning that fixing up all the layering
> and making it more flat like Van Jacobson suggested (and Linux
> implemented in one of their stack of the year projects) might
> gain us performance.

I would disagree, and I'll say why in a second.

> A rewrite is only necessary when you can't solve a particular
> semantic or performance problem without a major kludge.  Right
> now we don't have any of those problems and a rewrite would
> mearly throw away years apon years of testing along with making
> our implementation incompatible with the texts out there which
> would raise the bar for anyone attempting to base their code on
> ours.

Please tell me how to solve the following problems with the current
stack:

1) Adding a new bit of processing in the input side of IP
WITHOUT modifying ip_input.  The solution should be generic.

2) Running the stack in a true multi-threaded and multi-instance
environment but still within the kernel.  (This is a project currently
under way in several places, all commercial.)

3) Run the same stack in the kernel and in user space so that it can
more easily be debugged.

I submit that all of these require a rewrite and if done the resulting stack
could compete quite well in the non-core router market and actually
create new markets by bringing the barrier to creating incremental
changes to the system down.

> I agree that a rewrite without a clearly stated goal is almost always
> just a euphamism for "i didn't like the variable names and indenting
> of the old system" or "i want my name on the top of each file in
> the sys/netinet directory".

Agreed.

> Lastly, I wish we just drop it until we come up with a solid reason,
> all this is doing is second guessing stuff that has worked for
> years.  This code has existed in mostly working order for half of
> my lifetime I really don't feel much anyone has the skills necessary
> to duplicate the equivelant of several hundered man years of
> developement in just a couple of months no matter how highly they
> think of themselves.
> 

There may not be a SINGLE solid reason, but it must be an issue
otherwise it would never have come up.

I think it's a good idea, if done carefully.  The original TCP/IP stack
and the changes since then were created in a different software
era.  I'm not saying to build the whole thing again in Java but I am
saying that there comes a time when you have to stop putting on 
band aids and actually have the bone reset.

Later,
George



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