On Fri, 2 Jan 2009, per...@pluto.rain.com wrote:

 > Why would a local interface, reported as up in ifconfig, not respond
 > to a ping of its own IP address?  The tun0 reported below doesn't,
 > and I have no idea how to debug it.  (I've overwritten the two most-
 > significant octets of its IP address, which is Class B, so as not to
 > publicly identify the network to which I am attempting to connect.)
 > 
 >   $ ifconfig -a
 >   xl0: flags=8843<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
 >           options=9<RXCSUM,VLAN_MTU>
 >           inet6 fe80::2b0:d0ff:fe28:ad4f%xl0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x1
 >           inet 192.168.200.61 netmask 0xffffff00 broadcast 192.168.200.255
 >           ether 00:b0:d0:28:ad:4f
 >           media: Ethernet autoselect (10baseT/UTP)
 >           status: active
 >   plip0: flags=108810<POINTOPOINT,SIMPLEX,MULTICAST,NEEDSGIANT> mtu 1500
 >   lo0: flags=8049<UP,LOOPBACK,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 16384
 >           inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128
 >           inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x3
 >           inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff000000
 >   tun0: flags=8051<UP,POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,MULTICAST> mtu 1412
 >           inet6 fe80::2b0:d0ff:fe28:ad4f%tun0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x4
 >           inet ZZZ.ZZZ.233.42 --> ZZZ.ZZZ.233.42 netmask 0xffffffff
 >           Opened by PID 24635

I don't know if this is relevant or not, but I've never seen a point to 
point interface use the same IP address on both ends of its link before.

I noticed this before when you posed this on questions@ but not knowing 
anything about vpnc and very little about VPNs in general, I let it go.

 >   $ ping ZZZ.ZZZ.233.42
 >   PING ZZZ.ZZZ.233.42 (ZZZ.ZZZ.233.42): 56 data bytes
 >   ^C
 >   --- ZZZ.ZZZ.233.42 ping statistics ---
 >   4 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
 > 
 >   $ traceroute -n ZZZ.ZZZ.233.42
 >   traceroute to ZZZ.ZZZ.233.42 (ZZZ.ZZZ.233.42), 64 hops max, 40 byte packets
 >    1  * * *
 >    2  * * *
 >    3  * * *
 >    4  * * *
 >    5  * * *
 >   ^C
 > 
 >   $ netstat -r -n
 >   Routing tables
 > 
 >   Internet:
 >   Destination        Gateway            Flags    Refs      Use  Netif Expire
 >   default            192.168.200.254    UGS         0  2209723    xl0
 >   127.0.0.1          127.0.0.1          UH          0        2    lo0
 >   ZZZ.ZZZ            ZZZ.ZZZ.233.42     UGS         0        0   tun0
 >   ZZZ.ZZZ.57.128/32  ZZZ.ZZZ.233.42     UGS         0       19   tun0
 >   ZZZ.ZZZ.57.133/32  ZZZ.ZZZ.233.42     UGS         0       18   tun0
 >   ZZZ.ZZZ.233.42     ZZZ.ZZZ.233.42     UH         59       20   tun0

There it is again.  Looks circular to me, but I may be way off base ..

Nice diagrams :)

cheers, Ian

 >   YYY.YYY.127/27     ZZZ.ZZZ.233.42     UGS         0        0   tun0
 >   YYY.YYY.127.96/27  ZZZ.ZZZ.233.42     UGS         0        0   tun0
 >   YYY.YYY.127.224/27 ZZZ.ZZZ.233.42     UGS         0        0   tun0
 >   YYY.YYY.127.228    192.168.200.254    UGHS        0      106    xl0
 >   192.168.200        link#1             UC          0        0    xl0
 >   192.168.200.254    00:09:5b:a1:c8:9e  UHLW        3  4318078    xl0   1148
 >   192.168.200.255    ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff  UHLWb       1        3    xl0
 > 
 > In case it matters the tunnel was set up by the security/vpnc port,
 > however my focus in this inquiry is on the expected behavior of the
 > tun(4) driver, which is part of the base and therefore (I hope)
 > on-topic here.  Inquiries regarding vpnc on ports@ and questions@
 > have not yielded a solution.
 > 
 > For background, the network geometry involved is:
 > 
 >                         192.168.200.0/8
 >          +---------------------+---------------------+
 >          |                     |                     |
 >   192.168.200.254        192.168.200.95     192.168.200.61[xl0]
 > +-----------------+   +-----------------+   +-----------------+
 > |  Netgear router |   |     Windows     |   |     FreeBSD     |
 > |                 |   | Cisco VPN client|   |       vpnc      |
 > +-----------------+   +-----------------+   +-----------------+
 >     71.111.59.66         ZZZ.ZZZ.233.6      ZZZ.ZZZ.233.42[tun0]
 >          |                     |                     |
 > +-----------------+
 > |    DSL modem    |            |                     |
 > +-----------------+         [works]          [does not work]
 >          |                     |                     |
 >    -- Internet --
 >          |                     |                     |
 >   YYY.YYY.127.228
 > +-----------------+            |                     |
 > |    Cisco 3000   | < - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+
 > +-----------------+
 >     ZZZ.ZZZ.2.13
 >          |              ZZZ.ZZZ.0.0/16
 >          +---------------------+---------------------+
 > 
 > (and no, I am not trying to have both the Windows client and the
 > FreeBSD client connected at the same time, although that ought
 > to work -- the Cisco will supposedly allow up to 4 concurrent
 > connections from the same LAN using the same credentials).
 > 
 > I think the tunnel's data flow should be something like:
 > 
 > +---------------+---------------+
 > | application (ping, ssh, etc.) |
 > |    to (say) ZZZ.ZZZ.11.220    |
 > +---------------+---------------+
 >                 ^
 >              [socket]
 >                 v
 >      +----------+----------+
 >      | kernel TCP/IP stack |
 >      +----------+----------+
 >                 ^
 >             [routing]
 >                 v
 >        +--------+--------+
 >        |  tun0 interface | <-- ping packets to ZZZ.ZZZ.233.42 looped
 >        |  ZZZ.ZZZ.233.42 | <-- back here, all else passed to vpnc
 >        +--------+--------+
 >                 ^
 >                 |
 >                 v
 >  +--------------+--------------+
 >  |    userspace vpnc daemon    |
 >  |  [encapsulation/encryption] |
 >  |      to YYY.YYY.127.228     |
 >  +--------------+--------------+
 >                 ^
 >              [socket]
 >                 v
 >      +----------+----------+
 >      | kernel TCP/IP stack |
 >      +----------+----------+
 >                 ^
 >             [routing]
 >                 v
 >         +-------+-------+
 >         | xl0 interface |
 >         | 192.168.200.61|
 >         +-------+-------+
 >                 ^
 >          192.168.200.0/8
 >                 v
 >        +--------+--------+
 >        | 192.168.200.254 |
 >        |  Netgear router |
 >        |   71.111.59.66  |
 >        +--------+--------+
 >                 ^
 >            DSL/Internet
 >                 v
 >  +--------------+--------------+
 >  |       YYY.YYY.127.228       |
 >  |          Cisco 3000         |
 >  |  [decapsulation/decryption] |
 >  |         ZZZ.ZZZ.2.13        |
 >  +--------------+--------------+
 >                 ^
 >          ZZZ.ZZZ.0.0/16
 >                 v
 >          ZZZ.ZZZ.11.220
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