On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 10:44:27PM +0200, Michel Talon wrote: > >Chad Perrin said: > > > >On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 12:17:12AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > >> FreeBSD needs to get better in this area, but I seriously doubt it > >> will > >> ever be as easy and painless as something like ubuntu. > > > >For a great many use cases, Ubuntu is one of the most painful "desktop" > >user experiences I have ever encountered. Please, *please* do not > >emulate Ubuntu. > > Any discussion on such subjects should begin by switching off the reality > distortion field. For *my own experience* Ubuntu works perfectly OK, in > particular all the hardware on my laptop works, suspend works, i have > zero problem keeping the "ports" updated, etc. It is the completely no > fuss solution. Wether FreeBSD needs to go in a direction or another is a > different subject, but *please* be objective in your descriptions.
There's no reality distortion field here, unless it's yours. Neither Ubuntu nor FreeBSD is objectively better. Each is better for specific use cases. Your *subjective* experience of no fuss is based on a wildly different set of priorities than me. If you prefer Ubuntu's usability priorities, I wish you'd just use Ubuntu, rather than try to convince people that it's "objectively" better than FreeBSD -- thus implying FreeBSD should emulate as if it is without flaws. > > By the way: > >it installs software and runs > >servers the user will never have any occasion to use, with no obvious > >way > >to deactivate them; and it essentially enforces the use of huge > >collections of software by way of hopelessly intertangled dependencies. > > is a sentence you can easily apply to any modern system. And most users > could not care less that there is *bloat* on their hard disk. Anyways > you can find a functional and installable desktop Ubuntu system > on a simple CDROM, show me the same for FreeBSD and i will happily > conclude it is less bloated. And for the same price you have on said > CDROM a live system and an installer which is not a joke like FreeBSD > one. Wonder why one system has more users than the other ... That would have been much shorter if you just said: "I can't tell the difference between the two where it matters, and I have different priorities than you." Of course, your goal is apparently to convince me that yours are the "correct" priorities. -- Chad Perrin [ original content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]
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