On 15/12/2016 9:43 PM, Torsten Zuehlsdorff wrote:
On 15.12.2016 14:16, David Demelier wrote:
[...]
What I want: a ports tree that matches the FreeBSD version like
OpenBSD. You have FreeBSD 11.0? You get a ports tree for that version
specifically. No major update, no breaking changes. Just bug fixes.
That will also simplify a lot FreeBSD ports by not having thousands of
conditional checking the FreeBSD version.
That what i really, really, really NOT want. I have regular problems
with our admins because of that. You want a specific version of an
software? No problem: just install a specific version of your
operation system. Need two of them, but they are not in this bundle?
To bad, than you need a new server. This is an daily-base scenario i
really don't want to port to FreeBSD.
the problem I have is that on the one machine the UI people want
node-x.y and the VM configuration people need boto-a.b, but boto-a.b
and node-x.y don't exist at the same time in the ports tree and there
is no snapshot of packages when they exist.. it's like saying "that
dinosaur and this dinosaur never met because one was Jurassic and the
other was Triassic. To make it worse the packages taken from different
times insist on installing different versions of some other package,
so I can't just take packages from different times (because they
OVERSPECIFY their dependencies,, it may work but I don't get the
chance because the install balks).
So I'm left with compiling..
If I use poudriere I need otmake a synthetic tree with different
revisions, bus the API for the ports tree moves so fast that often you
cant; even do that because one requires mk/uses/python.mumble and
theother wants some incompatible other change.
So the problems I see are
1/ over specification of dependencies, leading to artificial
requirements to upgrade things.
2/ leaf dependencies having too many options, leading to exponential
fan-out of dependencies.
3/ API changes too frequent, and not enough care taken thinking about
what happens if one needs to get a back-rev version of something.
4/ ports not always noticing when a dependency package is installed
and compiling the dependency anyhow.
here's an example;
'tracker' is a simple package.
but requires the following makefiles to be in sync API wise.
# Build dependencies
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS:= devel/desktop-file-utils devel/gettext-tools
devel/gmake graphics/gtk-update-icon-cache
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= print/indexinfo textproc/intltool devel/gettext
lang/perl5.20 lang/python27 graphics/poppler
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= devel/gobject-introspection textproc/libxslt
devel/pkgconf multimedia/gstreamer1-plugins
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= devel/xdg-utils converters/o3read
graphics/poppler-utils www/w3m
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= devel/desktop-file-utils
graphics/gtk-update-icon-cache multimedia/gstreamer1-plugin
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= devel/dbus-glib mail/gmime26 sysutils/hal
textproc/raptor sysutils/e2fsprogs
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= misc/e2fsprogs-libuuid devel/icu
multimedia/libmediaart devel/librest
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= multimedia/totem-pl-parser audio/flac
audio/libvorbis textproc/libcue
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= audio/libogg audio/taglib graphics/poppler-glib
graphics/libgxps
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= devel/libgsf textproc/exempi textproc/wv
graphics/libexif
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= graphics/giflib graphics/png graphics/tiff
devel/gettext-runtime
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= accessibility/atk graphics/gdk-pixbuf2
devel/glib20 x11-toolkits/gtk30
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= textproc/libxml2 x11-toolkits/pango
archivers/libarchive databases/sqlite3
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= devel/libffi devel/pcre converters/libiconv
graphics/cairo devel/bison
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= lang/python2 x11/libXext x11/libXrender x11/libX11
x11/libXinerama
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= x11/libXi x11/libXrandr x11/libXcursor
x11/libXfixes x11/libXdamage
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= x11/libXcomposite x11-toolkits/libXt
graphics/jasper graphics/jbigkit graphics/jpeg-turbo
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= x11-fonts/fontconfig x11-fonts/libXft
print/freetype2 print/harfbuzz x11-fonts/xorg-fonts-truetype
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= x11-fonts/encodings misc/shared-mime-info
misc/hicolor-icon-theme textproc/p5-XML-Parser security/libgcrypt
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= multimedia/gstreamer1 misc/iso-codes devel/orc
devel/dbus multimedia/v4l_compat
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= sysutils/policykit devel/libvolume_id
sysutils/consolekit misc/pciids sysutils/gnome_subr
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= sysutils/dmidecode ftp/curl textproc/gtk-doc
lang/vala security/ca_root_nss
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= devel/libsoup-gnome multimedia/libquvi09
textproc/expat2 devel/cmake graphics/lcms2
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= graphics/openjpeg15 graphics/poppler-data
graphics/libwmf accessibility/at-spi2-atk graphics/libepoxy
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= graphics/colord print/cups
x11-themes/adwaita-icon-theme textproc/xmlto x11/xprop
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= x11/xset devel/boehm-gc
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= misc/dejagnu x11/xcb-util-renderutil
graphics/libGL graphics/libEGL x11/glproto
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= x11/dri2proto x11/pixman x11/renderproto
devel/xorg-macros x11/bigreqsproto
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= x11/xcmiscproto x11/xextproto x11/xtrans
x11/kbproto x11/inputproto
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= x11-fonts/xf86bigfontproto x11/libXau x11/libXdmcp
x11/xproto x11/libxcb
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= devel/m4 x11/xineramaproto x11/fixesproto
x11/randrproto x11/damageproto
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= x11/compositeproto x11/libSM devel/nasm
graphics/graphite2 x11-fonts/font-bh-ttf
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= x11-fonts/font-misc-meltho
x11-fonts/font-misc-ethiopic x11-fonts/mkfontscale x11-fonts/font-util
x11-fonts/dejavu
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= security/libgpg-error shells/bash misc/getopt
textproc/docbook-xsl print/libpaper
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= devel/libatomic_ops textproc/docbook-xml
x11/libICE multimedia/libv4l
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= lang/expect lang/tcl86 devel/libcheck
x11/xcb-proto devel/libpthread-stubs
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= x11/xcb-util devel/makedepend devel/libclc
devel/llvm36 lang/gcc
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= devel/binutils x11/presentproto x11/libXxf86vm
x11/libxshmfence graphics/libdrm
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= graphics/libglapi devel/libdevq graphics/gbm
textproc/py-sphinx devel/jsoncpp
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= devel/cmake-modules x11-fonts/mkfontdir
x11-fonts/bdftopcf x11-fonts/libfontenc textproc/xmlcatmgr
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= textproc/docbook textproc/xmlcharent
textproc/docbook-sgml sysutils/polkit textproc/jade
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= textproc/itstool textproc/rarian devel/libsoup
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= devel/autoconf devel/automake lang/clang36
devel/libedit devel/ninja
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= devel/py-Jinja2 textproc/py-docutils devel/py-six
devel/py-setuptools27 devel/py-babel
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= textproc/py-pygments textproc/py-sphinx_rtd_theme
textproc/py-alabaster textproc/py-snowballstemmer math/gmp
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= math/mpfr lang/gcc-ecj45 archivers/zip math/mpc
x11/xf86vidmodeproto
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= devel/libpciaccess x11/libXvMC devel/scons
x11-fonts/libXfont textproc/iso8879
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= textproc/sdocbook-xml lang/spidermonkey170
textproc/py-libxml2 net/glib-networking multimedia/libquvi-scripts09
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= net/libproxy lang/lua52 accessibility/at-spi2-core
devel/libtool graphics/libglesv2
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= graphics/argyllcms textproc/docbook-utils
net/avahi-app security/gnutls x11-toolkits/libXmu
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= x11-fonts/libXfontcache misc/help2man
devel/autoconf-wrapper devel/automake-wrapper devel/py-setuptools
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= devel/gmake-lite textproc/py-MarkupSafe
devel/py-pytest devel/py-pytz textproc/py-pystemmer
TRACKER_DEP_PORTS+= x11/videoproto x11/libXv x11-fonts/fontsproto
devel/nspr devel/gsettings-desktop-schemas
that's the fanout of makefiles that making 'tracker ' hits.
and if anything goes wrong in any of that.. it stops..
so making a 'blended' system is really hard.
yeah yeah "don't do that"... but it's not that simple in the real world.
This is a good idea. But does not help everytime. Many rubygem based
ports build just fine, but fail afterwards.
yeah
Greetings,
Torsten
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