On 12/3/05, Ted Mittelstaedt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Whoah whoah whoah!!!!
>
> Guys, I have several 5.4 servers.
>
> Hitting them with IE 6.0.2800.1106 ftp client I
> get NO PROBLEMS seeing dot files.  I DO NOT see
> the behavior that the OP claims.  NOR do I see the
> behavior that you guys are claiming either of IE's
> FTP client being bad.  Nor do I see this behavior
> on a 6.0 FreeBSD server.
>
> I respectfully submit that both you and the OP are
> off your rockers. You guys, probably because you don't
> know how to setup Windows properly.  (which is understandable)
> The OP probably because he doesen't know how to setup FreeBSD
> properly, plus has borked some settting in his IE.  Note
> he hasn't posted the IE version.  Note he hasn't setup a
> test login on his FTP server and invited anyone to try it
> and see if they are getting the same problem.  Can you
> say "Troll bait"?  I knew you could.
>
> AND YES, I did try a few FTP sites on that URL.  No problem
> with any of them.
>
> AND NO I do not recommend IE as a FTP client either.  And I
> respectfully submit that a recommendation against IE from
> someone who must apparently know how to set it up properly
> should IMHO carry more weight than one from someone who
> apparently doesen't know how to set it up properly.
>
> If you think IE's FTP client is so bad then post a few sites
> and I'll go to them and put up some screen captures of my IE.
> Go ahead, prove I'm wrong.  I'd like to see it crash.
> I dare you.

The reason it works for you is because you manually set the ftp type
setting of IE. I do happen to know how to set up IE and alot of other
network related setting in WIndows.

When these are not set (as they do not absolutely-have-to-be with
other clients) it crashes. The fact that just because you haven't
bothered about that setting, or PASV etc, doesn't mean the client
should crash. Under the default setup on IE, nearly every one of those
sites crashes IE. Now of course it makes sense that if these settings
haven't been set, that you might get an error message and  have to set
things right, but not to crash the application every single time
without a clue as to what went wrong.

Now of course I could take screen shots and get these sites to work
aswell, believe me it's not some advanced windows knowledge that
you're claiming ownership  to here, but if you leave the settings on
defualt, it crashes the browser. Plain old run of the mill, office and
home environment set up, it crashes the application. Even microfts own
ftp site. Oppose this to Firefox's ftp implementatoin which works "out
of the box", and gives you an error if you need to change something.
Of course everything crashes, let's not be silly, but to crash
categorically every time unless you've set it the way it should be, is
an immature piece of software.

On top of these are problems with standards implementations, in the
same way that the IE html engine doesn't render in accordance with the
standards (I can tell you this after having worked full time in web
design and php/mysql, and the joy you get when you see the way things
should look, according to standard html and xhtml and css texts, in
other browsers, but never in IE.) But in the end it's just the fact
that it's crashed in it's default setting in every Windows release
I've used.
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