Since this discussion refuses to die, I hope the participants will heed
my suggestion and collect the results on a webpage somewhere so we don't
have to go over it all many times again in the future.

So far, I haven't seen anything said that wasn't already said five, ten,
fifteen or even twenty years ago.  Maybe it goes even further back than
that, but that's about as long as I have personally been aware of this
particular debate.
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