Hej there, Jo Rhett wrote: > On Fri, Jan 06, 2006 at 01:27:18PM +0100, Marian Hettwer wrote: > >>I'm actually wondering how yahoo for instance handles this situation. To >>my knowledge, they have several thousand of FreeBSD based servers. >>Either they are all the same in regards to configuration and version, or >>they have some other cunning way to solve the issue of patching. > > > Yahoo has a very similar implementation to ours from what I grok, but they > aren't happy about releasing their implementation into the wild so I can't > say for sure. > a pity. 'cause I bet there would be some nice ideas.
> >>Generally speaking: Your statement is true. You don't start writing code >>without an agreement that the direction choosen is a direction where >>FreeBSD wants to evolve. >>However, you (as in, you as a developer) could come up with a proof of >>concept. Start with an implementation like you would like to have it. >>And even if it's just a piece of paper and some code. > > > Before we plan the invasion of Iraq, how about an agreement on what we're > trying to accomplish? Like I said, this topic has always been killed Please stop with these political statements. They have nothing to do with the topic you're stressing here. Just stop these political statements, please :) > because "non-newbies can run make buildworld". So if it's going to get > shot down quickly then why bother? > Why bother? Because you do see a need for binary updates and you do want to change something. So get started with it. Just write a piece of paper (webpage, whatever), maybe even start coding something. Come up with this paper on freebsd-arch (like stated by someone else) and see wether you can find some agreements. > Frankly, that's pretty much where it has gone. Everyone who cares about > this has privately mailed me saying "it would be nice" but nobody believes > that we can get this accepted for inclusion. > Well, I wouldn't be sure. When perl was removed from base and made optional there was some roaring around too. Nevertheless it was removed from base and is no longer needed to run FreeBSD. > I've tried to make the point clear, and ignore the insults and try to keep > on topic... but it's pretty much a lost point already. Everyone loves to > say "you're an idiot" or "your ideas [taken out of context] are wrong" etc > and such forth. > I was following this thread on -current and frankly, I couldn't see any "you're an idiot" statements. Prove me wrong ( by copy 'n paste of the statement in addition with the sender of that mail ). > >>Then start this thread over again, fine tune the concept and hopefully >>some others will jump aboard and help developing. >>I would like to, but I do lack knowledge in C. Shell and a wee bit of >>Perl is fine. Definitly too few knowledge for a project like that :-/ > > > If it really was a project, just a willingness to test this across a range > of environments and the ability to do-one-thing-at-a-time and read log > files would be great assistance. But given zero interest in the project > expressed so far, this is cart years before horse has evolved. > Then my statement would be again: Yes, I would agree that binary updates could make updating FreeBSD easier. However, there are other ways (apart from using make world). I would think about "make release". This is a way to go. Build your custom releases and roll 'em out. Granted, using own releases is only good if you have like one or two architectures (say i386 and amd64). > >>That statement ain't true. If the code solves your problem, fine. If it >>solves problems of others too, even better. Chances are higher that it >>doesn't get ignored... > > > Code that doesn't solve the problem correctly should be rejected with a > reason. Ignorance advances nothing. No replies/no updates = ignorance. > And no commits means the problem isn't solved. > so far, so true. However, just start your project and ask later on for support. best regards, Marian _______________________________________________ freebsd-stable@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-stable To unsubscribe, send any mail to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
