On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 15:56:04 +0800 Sandy wrote: > Would Devuan be any better? I prefer it because it does not use > systemd, but do not know what it does about firmware.
devuan has included non-free firmware on it's ISOs since the first release (about 5 years before debian decided to so the same), and the installer configured the non-free repos automatically, whether the machine needed them or not that was the early end of my interest in devuan - i dont know about today; but i doubt that has changed - they closed my bug report three years later (essentially 'wont-fix') - users may select the "expert install" option to opt-out of the non-free repos; but the user _must_ select the "expert install" option, _before_ being presented with the option to opt-out thats not "better" IMHO - the implication is that "only experts would want to avoid non-free software - most people should use non-free firmware; and not care or even be aware of the concern" On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 15:56:04 +0800 Sandy wrote: > Is this mostly illusory anyway, since most systems come with > non-free firmware if your hardware requires non-free firmware, there should be no illusion - people should be aware of that and the implications - then perhaps those people could be more mindful of their future purchases this is why the FSDG distros are dedicated to keeping non-free software out of their repos entirely - if non-systemd is your preference, you could use gnuinos for example; and stop wondering about illusions if there is no source code freely available for some hardware, that will be plainly obvious on a FSDG distro - the hardware simply will not work - the hardware can usually be replaced though; so going libre is rarely a "deal-breaker" - most people will happily buy a replacement wifi thingy or whatever guixsd, hyperbola, and parabola are also non-systemd distros; but those do not have freedombox packaged - trisquel and pureos do, but those use systemd those are the worry-free options - any other distros (even relatively libre ones like debian and fedora) leave users to wonder what to install or not, based on each's knowledge and vigilance _______________________________________________ Freedombox-discuss mailing list [email protected] https://alioth-lists.debian.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss
