On 1 March 2011 15:36, Jonas Smedegaard <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 02:44:09PM +0100, Eugen Leitl wrote: >> >> On Tue, Mar 01, 2011 at 01:53:33PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> >>>>> The target for the Freedom Box is a plug device. These have >>>>> 800Mhz/1.2Ghz ARM processors and 512MB of RAM and at least 512MB >>>> >>>> Yes, you're describing a low-end Android phone here. >>> >>> No, plug devices are not phones. >> >> My point you possibly failed to get was that openi-sh cheap (~100 EUR) >> smartphones have equivalent to superior hardware specs to plug computers, > > Phones are not Plug devices, even if some specs are comparable. > > > >>>> The only problem I see is Android specifics, which won't play nice with >>>> the Debian toolchain. >>> >>> If I am not mistaken, the topic of this mailinglist is the _Debian_ >>> FreedomBox project. Not the Google FreedomBox project or whatever else. >> >> I'm not sure what your point is. > > This mailinglist was created in direct response to a talk made in July at a > Debian conference, where Eben Moglen challenged the Debian community to put > the already production-ready Debian distro onto the already production-ready > Plug devices, "just" make the combination dead simple for non-geeks to > consume. > Debian supports Plug devices, not Android phones. Debian also support a > gazillion devices other than Plug devices, and a gazillion other use cases, > but I dare say this particular project was created with the relatively > narrow scope of consumer-friendly design + Plug devices + Debian subset of > freedom-enabling technologies.
What about Eben's original talk about NYU a year ago, 'Freedom in the Cloud', where he coined the term 'Freedom Box'? I believe he mentioned both Fedora and Debian.. IMHO he was promoting the idea of free software in the freedom box, and selected Debian as a leader rather than an absolute. > > Not phones. Not OpenWrt. Not virtual machines. Not freeing new hardware. > Not inventing, implementing or packaging new technologies. All those tasks > are very very VERY relevant for World Freedoms, but for this project they > are relevant only as inspirational references. > > > >> I would suggest rather keep technical lists focused on their respective >> topic, but build an inclusive umbrella platform with multiple ongoing >> external projects having their sublists and wikis and code depositories, >> with some crosscommunication do avoid duplication of effort and encourage >> crossporting of existing and emerging packages. >> >> Is there any reason why Debian would officially oppose hosting such a >> project? > > I suppose not. But check for yourself at http://wiki.debian.org/Alioth - > especially the link to "Guidelines for packaging projects on Alioth". > > > - Jonas > > -- > * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist & Internet-arkitekt > * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ > > [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > > iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJNbQR6AAoJECx8MUbBoAEh0/wQAI+ecsnNq3SlETfWGDYP0THi > UQJ7+JxqMUmkZbZZn51OisXp06QCwzbetQYwyXmY02narLaP7kpuOc0lVGE0Royw > FRlZRssreMNywRv6xtFxh6+Ty3HaTNQ1jL4547DW175VUnLczqyP1SkaGLYvF0y0 > z/T3MJeIDWnduCP0eDwW+OAVcRRpFRUXEfgHxYNOW8fvKmKvdJLZLJDyQ2A5K/j2 > n8scY4GzoVJLQGyGhsEA3oTF2leEbL/jZP/qnJ2XkzXHUWmJ4apDtqC58JZQtjN3 > cTOfSFOJzYbldDloBbk67/rWTO69TqpE+mqWY6aLeuiEjEzWC28+cEkDDtNN5CgN > rb72JzXqx2yLNDc3wFX7gnuZ5Rl+CYViM3BLarNkvZR2N+mutVrT5bXJvAruoCsD > oK/vfrNZd1gD2k7LUMpLr2yM9EKitBDnP0hMN10PvEu8DkliFGFxSa3xypuJdN0p > MfjMsrd7+VZqRug24OnSySyAAbh4+EiMi3+fRHRnwcorP/hLSIrhewP+Uf2eQiFn > /AoLomv8k90hQpH9CxEXw29XC62p20i1Q0Lgluq4zDBV/AuEBsV6Z2DwWyM1J7// > X1wNXR31ZmLhBm0bbVYXB5VDG1DosGDVmaLDvgD0nuaAdWBhY6rF7PQDqxYCI9gU > hYNCvylj6a+UYpxQkYs8 > =Ayjx > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Freedombox-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss > > _______________________________________________ Freedombox-discuss mailing list [email protected] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss
