On 05/12/2011 03:40 AM, AnotherPeasant wrote: > Actually, Eric, I've never seen the "This website is asking for your > location" notices, because I don't surf with scripts universally > enabled. I started out on Windows boxes, and scripts are how most > malware is delivered. > > My point remains. Someone with far less experience of tweaking program > options than me would have never found "Allow all sites to track my > physical location", set as DEFAULT, in Chromium. What if the > "individual sites" requesting that information are forwarding it to the > government? What if a noob gives that info to cutencuddlykittens.com, > and it's actually just a front for hardlycuddlyatallthugs.gov? It > doesn't matter whether or not it's phoning home to Google; it matters > that it is even CAPABLE of giving away that physical location info. > > Just because there is a W3C spec for geolocation, doesn't mean servers > or clients have to participate. In a moderately free country, it's > usually harmless to give a physical location away. Yes, it aids > shopping, and meeting up with friends. But this box has to work in a > country where there are death squads. > > The Freedom Box has to be usable by total noobs, and it should not put > them in harm's way by DEFAULT. If they make an innocent mistake, the > choices made now on this project should help shield them from horrible > consequences. Giving physical location away to ANYONE should be > difficult, and replete with numerous grisly and realistic warnings about > what it might entail, and about how the info can be aggregated to > predict your movements, and your normal physical range. > > FrBx defaults should be sane and rational, i.e., expecting the worst and > planning for it, i.e., reality-based paranoia. IMHO. > > > > > > > > On 05/07/2011 11:12 PM, Eric Mill wrote: >> I'm pretty sure that "Allow all sites to track my physical location" has to >> do with the W3C Geolocation spec, which allows individual websites to ask >> for your location through JavaScript, and not to do with "phoning home" to >> Google any information about you. >> >> Even regarding W3C Geolocation, in my browser, which is Chrome 12 dev, the >> default is to have each site have to ask you. If you've ever visited a >> website and seen the "This website is asking for your location." dropdown at >> the top of the window, that's what this is in regards to. >> >> -- Eric >> >> On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 7:47 PM, AnotherPeasant <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Actually, Eric, I just went and checked in my Chromium browser. It's >>> under: (wrench)> Preferences > Under the Hood > Content Settings > >>> (scroll down to the hidden part of the page) Location. Now maybe it's >>> just my copy of Chromium where it's the default, but the fact that >>> "Allow all sites to track my physical location" is even in there at all >>> concerns me. "Non-evil" FAIL, I.M.O. There may be other interesting >>> "features" in there that I have missed completely. >>> >>> Android, I have no clue about, as I am a moron about cell phones in >>> general. I have a buddy who understands them in detail. Talking to him >>> helps me understand just how clueless I am about the things. -But I'm >>> learning (slowly). >>> >>> BTW, version of Chromium is 10.0.648.205 running on Ubuntu 11.04 -Cheers! >>> >>> >>>> You're conflating Android and Chrome with their open source projects. All >>>> phone-home code is added in a separate layer from the open source >>> codebase. >>>> The Android Open Source Project (AOSP) and the Chromium open source >>> project >>>> are both free of tracking. >>>> >>>> -- Eric >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Considering how much data scraping and invasive profiling Google does >>>>> already, are you sure you want to use their base system for this? I >>>>> thought the point was to get away from centralized power like MS and >>>>> Google. The cell phone is the pen-ultimate invasive client, exceeded >>>>> only by RF chips and implants :) Look in their Chrome browser. There >>>>> is a place for you to change the DEFAULT of "allow websites to track my >>>>> physical location" Hello? Seems like a not very freedom-enabling >>>>> technology to me... >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Freedombox-discuss mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/freedombox-discuss >>> >> >
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